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re: Hillary Clinton refuses to be served Tulsi Gabbard’s defamation lawsuit

Posted on 1/30/20 at 9:13 am to
Posted by 14&Counting
Dallas, TX
Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 1/30/20 at 9:13 am to
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. For someone who said that no one is above the law, she sure acts like she is.


She has been acting like it her entire life
Posted by DeCat ODahouse
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Member since Jan 2017
1607 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 9:23 am to
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quote:
. For someone who said that no one is above the law, she sure acts like she is.


She has been acting like it her entire life


Or at least since she married her husband and tagged her fortune to his coattails. Including using the the umbrella of HIS Secretive Service protection to duck a subpoena. What a pioneering feminist!
Posted by 14&Counting
Dallas, TX
Member since Jul 2012
41415 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 9:42 am to
Going all the way back to her Whitewater days, the same rules don't apply to the Clintons. Rules are for the little people.
Posted by Champagne
Sabine Free State.
Member since Oct 2007
53501 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 9:45 am to
Tulsi fails to understand that our Globalist Rulers are not subject to the Law.
Posted by dafif
Member since Jan 2019
7902 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 9:52 am to
AggieHank86

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Second, SecretService is not going to get into any trouble. They are not requiredto accept service, either. 99% of service is handled by private process servers, as opposed by an officer of the court. FRCP 4(c


I agree with your legal analysis ... as far as it goes but, if I read correctly, SS turned the process server away.

Question, what do you think would happen if the process server was not private but by US Marshall?

Also, dont think the article addresses waiver of service and whether done. I would do that first...then Marshall.
Posted by Stingray
Shreveport
Member since Sep 2007
12441 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 9:57 am to
If they ever come to arrest her, I guess there would be a shoot out between government officers.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 9:58 am to
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what do you think would happen if the process server was not private but by US Marshall?
I addressed this above. I doubt Secret Service would have given access to a Marshal, either, unless pre-cleared. Absent a warrant, a US Marshal has no greater right to enter your property than does any private citizen.

Further, any reasonably-clever bad-guy could get a fake Marshal badge, and it is the duty of Secret Service to protect their charges.

I just do not see a federal judge being upset with them for being cautious in fulfilling their duties ... especially since substituted service is so easy to obtain.

I hate to sound like the tinfoil brigade, but I wonder whether Tulsi’s camp did not do all this same analysis and CHOOSE to use a private process server, precisely to give HRC the inevitable bad press that is indeed flying at her. If so, i was rather clever.


I have never researched it, but I have aways wondered why prominent people do not just designate a registered agent for service, to avoid this sort of nonsense. It costs, what, $100 or $200 per year for CT Corp?
This post was edited on 1/30/20 at 10:31 am
Posted by Hurricane Mike
Member since Jun 2008
20059 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 10:25 am to
She can dish it but she can't take it

One thing she did take was Donny 9 inch in the arse though
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 10:45 am to
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If they ever come to arrest her, I guess there would be a shoot out between government officers.
If law enforcement seeks her arrest, it is a fair bet that they will have a warrant. Rather a different situation.
Posted by Plx1776
Member since Oct 2017
18131 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 10:53 am to
She also has the power to wipe her arse with subpoenas.

Hillbitch sits above the rest of us. Yet she'll screech about other people being above the law.
Posted by Mr. Misanthrope
Cloud 8
Member since Nov 2012
6340 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 12:06 pm to
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You mean it won’t turn out well for the judge...

The Washington Post reported today the investigation has confirmed the federal judge was accidentally smothered to death with a pillow by a large Black Bear in the woods where the judge was hunting alone. This unfortunate accident apparently caused the judge's rifle, a Ruger American model, .308 caliber, bolt action, single shot hunting rifle, to accidentally discharge, hitting the federal judge five times in the back, further killing him.

Investigators agreed it was a bit out of the ordinary, but certainly not unheard of, for a 70 year old jurist to go hunting in the Maine woods, at night, during blizzard conditions, barefoot, wearing only a three piece gray suit and his robes.

The investigation also confirmed the automobile, abandoned in a Costco parking lot forty miles away in Bangor, was registered to the deceased jurist.

Authorities believe this explains the three unopened packages of beef jerky and the Zero candy bar found in the pockets of the judge's clothing, saying he evidently stopped at the Costco for snacks for the long walk to his hunting spot forty miles north. It's most likely, the investigators believe, in a hurry to make good time and get into his hunting spot, the Judge simply forgot to take time to eat the items he purchased.

Sources close to the investigation say the bear slipped and fell in his walk-in shower breaking his neck and dying only hours after being interviewed by the authorities. That interview confirmed for the authorities it was the judge who had purchased the food items at the Bangor Costco and not the bear who prefers Milky Ways to Zeros and is allergic to all Jerky.

The original subpoena, at the heart of this investigation, sources have confirmed, was accidentally shredded by the bear's secretary who is believed to be in possession of a draft copy. She has not answered her phone or responded to emails and has not been seen at work for three days.

Those same sources confirmed her car remains in the parking lot of her fitness club where it has been parked for the last three days. The FBI confirmed they have obtained video of the automobile showing its doors open, keys in the ignition, and her blood smeared purse, sitting on the driver's seat, which has been confirmed to contain her driver's license, passport, and $75,000 cash.

Our sources in the law enforcement agencies responsible for the overall investigation confirmed with the head of the interagency task force that she has simply taken some vacation time and will be interviewed when she returns.
This post was edited on 1/30/20 at 1:09 pm
Posted by keakar
Member since Jan 2017
30152 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 12:45 pm to
lordy i hope trump tweets about this and puts the SS on blast for obstructing justice and asks for it to be looked into

ram this "nobody is above the law" BS right up hillarys arse
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 12:46 pm to
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lordy i hope trump tweets about this and puts the SS on blast for obstructing justice and asks for it to be looked into
I’ve no doubt that Trump has no greater understanding of FRCP 4 than most posters on this thread.
Posted by dafif
Member since Jan 2019
7902 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 2:30 pm to
AggieHank86

I may be interpreting this different but it sounds like the process server was turned away. I guess my concern would be if I have done it with a Marshall, private process server and continually are denied entrance it seems like that may be an issue.

I do agree with you, however, that in this instance, a Marshall could coordinate with the SS to let them know they are coming.

I also agree regarding requesting waiver and service by mail and it may support your tinfoil hat by not trying that first and, instead, getting bad press.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 2:46 pm to
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I may be interpreting this different but it sounds like the process server was turned away.
I read it that way as well.

I just disagree with the folks claiming that turning him away was improper under the FRCP.

Almost 30 years ago, I was trying to get a guy served. The maid kept saying that he was not home, at times that it seemed unlikely he would be absent. He was not breaking any rules.

My client happened to know that the Defendant had an upcoming anniversary, so we called several of the better restaurants to “confirm” his dinner reservation. We ascertained his plans and served him at dinner on his anniversary. He could have avoided that by not being an arse.
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I guess my concern would be if I have done it with a Marshall, private process server and continually are denied entrance it seems like that may be an issue.
Agreed, but it sounds like there was just the one attempt at the house and one request to an attorney to accept service.
Posted by AustinTigr
Austin, TX
Member since Dec 2004
2937 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 2:47 pm to
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When the judge is made aware if her ducking service, it won't turn out well for her.


That only applies to peon's like you and me. That law - nor any other law - has ever applied to the Clinton's. They can literally rape and money-launder - and probably murder, too - and everyone in power looks the other way.

"Justice for thee but not for me" prevails.
Posted by Dead Man Walking
Member since Mar 2019
963 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 2:58 pm to
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all former Presidents and First Ladies have SS protection for the rest of their lives


Correct, but they can decline like Jimmy Carter.
Posted by dafif
Member since Jan 2019
7902 posts
Posted on 1/30/20 at 3:13 pm to
AggieHank86

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Agreed, but it sounds like there was just the one attempt at the house and one request to an attorney to accept service.


Following your theory of news value rather than service. Appears to have worked for Tulsi getting the story out.
Posted by Mr. Misanthrope
Cloud 8
Member since Nov 2012
6340 posts
Posted on 1/31/20 at 12:23 pm to
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That law - nor any other law - has ever applied to the Clinton's. They can literally rape and money-launder - and probably murder, too - and everyone in power looks the other way.

Well said. Tragically and sadly true.
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
22856 posts
Posted on 1/31/20 at 12:41 pm to
This is really a non-issue; the former Presidents and their families are under serious Secret Service protection, and for good reason.

There are far worse people than process servers that would love to get close to one, any one. It would be a HUGE propaganda score to hit ANY such person, regardless of party or affiliation.

Like AggieHank said, I think Tulsi knew all this in advance, and intentionally played this for the bad optics.
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