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Hidden Behind Climate Policies, Data From Nonexistent Temperature Stations

Posted on 4/12/24 at 6:24 am
Posted by Placekicker
Florida
Member since Jan 2016
8068 posts
Posted on 4/12/24 at 6:24 am
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President Joe Biden called the climate “an existential threat” in his 2023 State of the Union address. “Let’s face reality. The climate crisis doesn’t care if you’re in a red or a blue state.”

In his 2024 address he said, “I don’t think any of you think there’s no longer a climate crisis. At least, I hope you don’t.”

When recalling past temperatures to make comparisons to the present, and, more importantly, inform future climate policy, officials such as Mr. Guterres and President Biden rely in part on temperature readings from the United States Historical Climatology Network (USHCN).

The network was established to provide an “accurate, unbiased, up-to-date historical climate record for the United States,” NOAA states, and it has recorded more than 100 years of daily maximum and minimum temperatures from stations across the United States.

The problem, say experts, is that an increasing number of USHCN’s stations don’t exist anymore.

“They are physically gone—but still report data—like magic,” said Lt. Col. John Shewchuk, a certified consulting meteorologist.

“NOAA fabricates temperature data for more than 30 percent of the 1,218 USHCN reporting stations that no longer exist.”

He calls them “ghost” stations.

Mr. Shewchuck said USHCN stations reached a maximum of 1,218 stations in 1957, but after 1990 the number of active stations began declining due to aging equipment and personnel retirements.

NOAA still records data from these ghost stations by taking the temperature readings from surrounding stations, and recording their average for the ghost station, followed by an “E,” for estimate.
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
30437 posts
Posted on 4/12/24 at 6:27 am to
So they are basically only getting readings from cities where the amount of concrete makes it hotter?
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
67740 posts
Posted on 4/12/24 at 6:36 am to
Imagine believing that we can measure the temperature of the entire 200 million square miles of planet with themometers.

That's not a thing.
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
59713 posts
Posted on 4/12/24 at 6:36 am to
And wide open airports in the middle of concrete & asphalt.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50375 posts
Posted on 4/12/24 at 6:36 am to
quote:

So they are basically only getting readings from cities where the amount of concrete makes it hotter?


Yes.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89493 posts
Posted on 4/12/24 at 6:41 am to
To rely on just a handful of stations covering a state as large and diverse as say California, extrapolating that to cover the state and even pretend it is remotely accurate is ludicrous on its face.

Of course, the "urban heat island" effect is the gorilla in the room, but there are so many flaws in the methodology and the gaslighting directed as skeptics are all reasons to amp up questioning it.

"The science is settled" is a statement of quasi-religious dogma - not actual science.
This post was edited on 4/12/24 at 6:42 am
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
27073 posts
Posted on 4/12/24 at 6:46 am to
quote:

So they are basically only getting readings from cities where the amount of concrete makes it hotter?


They are manipulating whatever data they can in order to support their narrative... The environmental whackos have never cared about numbers being accurate or if their proposed rules and regulations will make a difference...
Posted by llfshoals
Member since Nov 2010
15365 posts
Posted on 4/12/24 at 7:06 am to
quote:

So they are basically only getting readings from cities where the amount of concrete makes it hotter?
So what if it’s getting warmer.

It’s supposed to warm up after an ice age, and we had one very recently.

Ask a climate crazy what will happen when the planet gets 25-30 degrees warmer on average than now. When they stop screaming point out it’s been that way for hundreds of millions of years in the past
Posted by RockoRou
SW Miss
Member since Mar 2015
604 posts
Posted on 4/12/24 at 7:21 am to
"Ghost Stations" Nothing is real anymore. Our Government lies to us every day.

Covid #1
Ukraine #2
SCAM #3. GLOBAL WARMING
Climate Change #4
Posted by Great Plains Drifter
Member since Jul 2019
4363 posts
Posted on 4/12/24 at 7:25 am to
quote:

So they are basically only getting readings from cities where the amount of concrete makes it hotte


AKA - Manipulating to get the result you want.
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
30437 posts
Posted on 4/12/24 at 8:10 am to
Tarzana is not going to like this thread.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
42551 posts
Posted on 4/12/24 at 8:18 am to
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supposed to warm up after an ice age, and we had one very recently.

that's been my standard answer for over 50 years of this nonsense = there is only one way to recover from an ice age - and that is to warm it up.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
24803 posts
Posted on 4/12/24 at 8:22 am to
There never has been any climate crisis.
Posted by SquatchDawg
Cohutta Wilderness
Member since Sep 2012
14164 posts
Posted on 4/12/24 at 8:24 am to
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100 years of daily maximum and minimum temperatures


Even if accurate, this is a fricking joke for a planet that’s 4 billion years old.
Posted by Longhorn Actual
Member since Dec 2023
912 posts
Posted on 4/12/24 at 8:29 am to
There is only one simple question to ask.

"What is the optimal temperature for the planet?"

Without the answer to that question, we can't know if warming is good or bad. Hell, we might be headed in the right direction.


Posted by BHS78
Member since May 2017
2045 posts
Posted on 4/12/24 at 9:22 am to
Imagine believing that the people that can't solve World Hunger will fix the Earth's temperature. ??
Posted by winkchance
St. George, LA
Member since Jul 2016
4090 posts
Posted on 4/12/24 at 9:29 am to
Not to mention ignoring temperature increases around solar farms.
Posted by llfshoals
Member since Nov 2010
15365 posts
Posted on 4/12/24 at 9:53 am to
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that's been my standard answer for over 50 years of this nonsense = there is only one way to recover from an ice age - and that is to warm it up.
60 years ago they were talking about global cooling and a possible ice age
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
13323 posts
Posted on 4/12/24 at 10:13 am to
There used to be a website dedicated to documenting the weather stations used to report temps around the world, with pictures of each station being reported on.

Dozens of stations with incandescent light bulbs hanging in the small enclosure, creating heat. Stations sitting over asphalt. Stations sitting in the exhaust of HVAC units. Just about anything you can imagine. It’s a scam.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118714 posts
Posted on 4/12/24 at 10:22 am to
Climate scientist do not rely on properties of matter to calculate temperature change due to changing atmospheric gas concentrations. They rely on temperature data.

Engineers and physicists rely on properties of matter to calculate and forecast temperatures base on changing atmospheric gas concentrations.

Data can be massaged and molded to meet a particular narrative. Properties of matter cannot.

Climate change propagandists rarely hire engineers and physicists to forecast temperature change due to increasing CO2 levels in the atmosphere. Climate change propagandists do not like the results of said calculations.

Long story short, climate change narrative as sold by Joe Biden and the people that surround him is bull shite.
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