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re: Here's the quote from the Virginia governor's press conference on their new abortion bill
Posted on 1/30/19 at 7:08 pm to onmymedicalgrind
Posted on 1/30/19 at 7:08 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Regardless, the obvious question is “how much/long do you ‘try?” At some point you will reach a proverbial fork in the roa
Right. And by the governor's own words how much/long you try isn't a consideration. The answer to both could be 0. That is very clear.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 7:11 pm to Powerman
Powerman, you are normally a VERY rational poster, and I enjoy reading the vast majority of your contributions, but this issue REALLY seems to send you into an emotional tizzy. It is like you read the word "abortion" and all rationality just flies out the window.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 7:12 pm to AggieHank86
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Powerman, you are normally a VERY rational poster, and I enjoy reading the vast majority of your contributions, but this issue REALLY seems to send you into an emotional tizzy. It is like you read the word "abortion" and all rationality just flies out the window.
Appreciate the compliment. Perhaps you should take that compliment into consideration and closely look at your own position.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 7:13 pm to NC_Tigah
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Again, he said "it's done in cases where there MAY BE severe deformities, where there MAY BE a fetus that is nonviable." Trust me. That is the full context
and again just to reiterate he like all liberals on this issue is being intentionally coy. he knows the bill allows for abortion of a perfectly viable baby even during labor for mental health reasons alone. He knows that and the writer of the bill articulated exactly that on video
They just love to play the game of citing the examples that think are most palatable to people
But the bottom line is the mother fricker took the position is that a alive baby outside the womb still falls under the mother's choice somehow
They've literally flipped on it's head what I used to always say and that is that there is no substantial difference between a baby just outside the womb as one inside the womb
it just never occurred to me that these motherfrickers would use that to justify killing it even after it's out
Posted on 1/30/19 at 7:14 pm to AggieHank86
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Powerman, you are normally a VERY rational poster, and I enjoy reading the vast majority of your contributions, but this issue REALLY seems to send you into an emotional tizzy. It is like you read the word "abortion" and all rationality just flies out the window.
Frankly if you watch the video of the delegate who wrote the Bill answering questions regarding when abortion could take place for mental health issues and it didn't send you into a tizzy I would have to question whether or not you're actually human
Because my reaction given that she obviously was trying to weasel her way out of admitting things was that I wished I could crawl through the video and fricking break her neck
Posted on 1/30/19 at 7:14 pm to Powerman
quote:You are very welcome.quote:Appreciate the compliment. Perhaps you should take that compliment into consideration and closely look at your own position.
Powerman, you are normally a VERY rational poster, and I enjoy reading the vast majority of your contributions, but this issue REALLY seems to send you into an emotional tizzy. It is like you read the word "abortion" and all rationality just flies out the window.
But as to the last point, I choose to keep emotion out of all my policy analysis.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 7:15 pm to AggieHank86
It might also be worth mentioning I started a thread on the reaction to the NY law calling the reactions into question.
Whatever the legislation says is what it says and that's obviously worth investigating.
The governor's comments can not be defended even if they have nothing to do with the law.
He should be called to resign immediately. I'm living in VA right now and plan on sending in some correspondence on the matter.
Whatever the legislation says is what it says and that's obviously worth investigating.
The governor's comments can not be defended even if they have nothing to do with the law.
He should be called to resign immediately. I'm living in VA right now and plan on sending in some correspondence on the matter.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 7:16 pm to Powerman
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The governor's comments can not be defended even if they have nothing to do with the law
But his comments were perfectly in line with the law. The person who freaking presented the bill said as much. Do I have to bump my thread?
Posted on 1/30/19 at 7:17 pm to onmymedicalgrind
quote:Look, for purpose of this discussion and to clarify, if we are talking about an anencephalic birth, the decision as the governor delineated is entirely appropriate.
Again, depends on the clinical situation
If that is what we were discussing, the governor would have said it.
He didn't.
Part of why he didn't is because that decision and care path is already in place in all 50 states. It is already 100% legal throughout the country. It is already law, as you likely realize. This new law delineates something very different.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 7:18 pm to AggieHank86
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But as to the last point, I choose to keep emotion out of all my policy analysis
I'm not being emotional or talking about policy. I'm dissecting what he said. And what he said is that it's ok to murder infants with severe deformities. He's clever enough to where he should have caught it after he said it or not said it in that fashion in the first place.
This post was edited on 1/30/19 at 7:20 pm
Posted on 1/30/19 at 7:19 pm to AggieHank86
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. The governor was addressing a completely different issue than 3rd trimester abortion.
So, what difference does it make? It makes none, and now you've gone... and made an arse/monster of yourself. The Reicht drones are really revealing themselves today.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 7:20 pm to ShortyRob
Posted on 1/30/19 at 7:20 pm to Dead End
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infant Americans
The 14th Amendment disagrees with proggies. Can't wait to see the logical pretzels they use to say someone born in the United States isn't a person.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 7:21 pm to Bestbank Tiger
Deformed people aren't people apparently.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 7:21 pm to junkfunky
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ext up Rhode Island
The left is truly sick at this point. They aren't fellow Americans.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 7:22 pm to Powerman
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Right. Other than murdering infants with severe deformities (something that would be detected well before birth) nothing bad at all.
Well I guess we “murdered” a 9year old earlier today. Got hit by a bus a week ago. Massive subdural and epidural hematomas. Complete A-O dissociation of his spine. We could have kept his heart beating and lungs expanding into perpetuity. Parents elected to withdraw care after discussion with Neurosurgeons. Should I report them and have them arrested?
Posted on 1/30/19 at 7:23 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Well I guess we “murdered” a 9year old earlier today. Got hit by a bus a week ago. Massive subdural and epidural hematomas. Complete A-O dissociation of his spine. We could have kept his heart beating and lungs expanding into perpetuity. Parents elected to withdraw care after discussion with Neurosurgeons. Should I report them and have them arrested
This has literally nothing to do with the Virginia law as proposed. It's 100% obfuscation
Posted on 1/30/19 at 7:24 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Parents elected to withdraw care after discussion with Neurosurgeons. Should I report them and have them arrested?
They elected withdraw care.
Certainly you understand the difference between this and bypassing (or outright disallowing) care all together?
Posted on 1/30/19 at 7:24 pm to Powerman
quote:Actually, he said its OK to kill a baby who MAY have severe deformities.
And what he said is that it's ok to murder infants with severe deformities
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