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re: Here's the quote from the Virginia governor's press conference on their new abortion bill
Posted on 1/30/19 at 6:46 pm to StormyMcMan
Posted on 1/30/19 at 6:46 pm to StormyMcMan
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Can’t get it to post but basically his response about his comment is that he totally didn’t mean that. Just what would happen if a “non viable fetus or severely deformed fetus” was with the mother and she went into labor
Since we have no imaging technology the only way we can know a baby is deformed is literally during labor right?
I'm pro choice and this shite is asinine.
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Posted on 1/30/19 at 6:46 pm to Powerman
Watch the video. Deformaties is clearly one scenario. Not viable another. His non verbal and verbal cues both make that clear. His clarifying statements are cover because what he said and meant is so horrible.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 6:48 pm to GumboPot
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By this time the baby has constitutional rights. It's against the law to kill him/her.
Deciding not to go full court press with futile resuscitative measures =\= killing.
You guys are being willfully obtuse.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 6:48 pm to Dawgfanman
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Watch the video. Deformaties is clearly one scenario. Not viable another. His non verbal and verbal cues both make that clear. His clarifying statements are cover because what he said and meant is so horrible.
I did. And agree that it's horrible. I'm not buying the backing off of the statements either.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 6:48 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Deciding not to go full court press with futile resuscitative measures =\= killing.
That is not what he is talking about
And what manner of human being wouldn't even at least try no matter what the odds are? It's your child. It's worth a chance.
This post was edited on 1/30/19 at 6:50 pm
Posted on 1/30/19 at 6:50 pm to AggieHank86
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bizarre either way.
And I agreed with you that (in my opinion) there is no actual NEED for legislation of this type. We were discussing why the supporters of this legislation might THINK that there was a "need" for it.
Is the difference too subtle for you?
The rationale, as you tried to explain it, was nonsensical.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 6:51 pm to L.A.
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"If a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen. The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother," Northam said, alluding to the physician and mother discussing whether the born infant should live or die.
I see what they are trying to do.
They are trying to get us freak out about this and beg them to
“Please only have first trimester abortions!”
This normalizing the kinds of abortions they originally wanted to have.
They are pulling us further to the left to make the center- left less appalling.
This post was edited on 1/30/19 at 6:52 pm
Posted on 1/30/19 at 6:52 pm to AggieHank86
quote:First off, the POS intimated the father would have a role in the decision. THAT IS A LIE!
If he was ACTUALLY talking about VIABLE births with deformities, I agree with you completely, but follow-up statements from his office seem to confirm that he was talking about deformities that result in non-viable births ... not a harelip.
Regarding "deformities that result in non-viable births", he did NOT say that. He did not come close to saying that.
I can appreciate why others would hope he did.
But he did not say that.
He is a physician.
He chose his words carefully.
He did not misspeak regarding the law.
He did not in ANY way limit the procedure based on viability.
Sorry!
He said "it's done in cases where there MAY BE severe deformities, where there MAY BE a fetus that is nonviable" . . . Listen to it yourself
This post was edited on 1/30/19 at 6:53 pm
Posted on 1/30/19 at 6:54 pm to onmymedicalgrind
Disturbing that you're in the medical field. Hopefully in the custodial part of it.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 6:56 pm to NC_Tigah
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He is a physician
Wait the governor is a physician?
That changes things for sure. He clearly meant what he said and is a sick frick
Posted on 1/30/19 at 6:57 pm to onmymedicalgrind
quote:Agree.
Deciding not to go full court press with futile resuscitative measures =\= killing.
But the bill in question in no way addresses requisite nonviability.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 6:59 pm to Powerman
quote:Yep.
Wait the governor is a physician?
He's a pediatric neurologist
Posted on 1/30/19 at 6:59 pm to Powerman
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That is not what he is talking about
Seems from his quotes thats what hes talking about.
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And what manner of human being wouldn't even at least try no matter what the odds are? It's your child. It's worth a chance.
How about the human being that doesnt like seeing their loved one significantly suffering when the chance of any benefit is essentialy zero? I’ve seen this man, its very tough. Whether its a cogenital condition, motor vehicle accident, etc etc—going full court press is often not the best idea. Regardless, it should be a decision made by family.
And to re-emphasize, withdrawing futile life saving measures is not murder. If so, we murder people every day in the hospital. Come arrest me.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 7:01 pm to NIH
Dont hate the player, hate the game.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 7:02 pm to NC_Tigah
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But the bill in question in no way addresses requisite nonviability.
I didnt read the bill, just the quote. And in the proper context, there is nothing morally reprehensible about what hes saying. I know I dont have to explain it to you.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 7:02 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Whether its a cogenital condition, motor vehicle accident, etc etc—going full court press is often not the best idea
But saying frick it completely and not trying at all? That's cool?
I get after you've exhausted all reasonable options it's difficult decision time. That is not what the governor suggested by his own words. Throwing your hands up and saying frick it is perfectly reasonable with someone else's life in the balance. Not cool
Posted on 1/30/19 at 7:02 pm to onmymedicalgrind
quote:The bill makes no such requisite specification. Neither did the Governor (who is a physician BTW). He qualified the thing right-and-left. He said "it's done in cases where there MAY BE severe deformities, where there MAY BE a fetus that is nonviable."
Seems from his quotes thats what hes talking about.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 7:03 pm to onmymedicalgrind
quote:
I didnt read the bill, just the quote. And in the proper context, there is nothing morally reprehensible about what hes saying. I know I dont have to explain it to you.
Right. Other than murdering infants with severe deformities (something that would be detected well before birth) nothing bad at all.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 7:06 pm to Powerman
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But saying frick it completely and not trying at all? That's cool?
Again, depends on the clinical situation. Regardless, the obvious question is “how much/long do you ‘try?” At some point you will reach a proverbial fork in the road. How should be in control of the next decision point?
quote:
Throwing your hands up and saying frick it is perfectly reasonable with someone else's life in the balance. Not cool
Its not throwing up your hands my friend.
Posted on 1/30/19 at 7:07 pm to onmymedicalgrind
quote:Just FWIW, the dude is a pediatric neurologist, so he did not misspeak due to some knowledge deficit.
And in the proper context
Again, he said "it's done in cases where there MAY BE severe deformities, where there MAY BE a fetus that is nonviable." Trust me. That is the full context.
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