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re: Here is the list of Americans that will be in the new statue park

Posted on 7/4/20 at 8:35 am to
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
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Posted on 7/4/20 at 8:35 am to
Robert Noyce should be on there. He has had a huge effect on this world...we would not have tigerdroppings, etc without him.
Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 7/4/20 at 8:36 am to
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Not particularly because of any of the names listed here — but because progs idolize filthy degenerates and will push for their inclusion in such a space. No matter how good and decent the initial idea, anything progs touch, they will destroy.


That’s fine. Let them do what they do. This sets up a standard of who and what we value. They are free to add pornstars and trannies reading books to children. The standard shows those don’t really belong.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Posted on 7/4/20 at 8:36 am to
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I am too. I am also surprised Neil Armstrong didn’t make the list.

One name that I know would be too controversial, but IMO should be there is Robert E. Lee. He is arguably the best general in America history. He wasn’t fighting for the south for their ideals, but because his state/Home/Community found themselves in the Southern states.


If you want a Confederate figure the best one would be Longstreet. He repeatedly tried to talk Lee out of the disastrous Pickett's Charge. He also advocated for racial equality after the war, which makes him a redemption story.

They need to add Michael DeBakey to the list.
Posted by Simplemaaan
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 7/4/20 at 8:41 am to
Jim Thorpe should be there
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 7/4/20 at 8:42 am to
No Obama statue, no care....
Posted by The Eric
Louisiana
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Posted on 7/4/20 at 8:44 am to
No George Floyd?!?
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
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Posted on 7/4/20 at 8:45 am to
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No George Floyd?!?




That is the name of the park.
Posted by Wally Sparks
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 7/4/20 at 8:47 am to
Replace Christa McAuliffe with Neil Armstrong. No disrespect to her intended though.
Posted by Nado Jenkins83
Land of the Free
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Posted on 7/4/20 at 8:55 am to
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great list
Posted by Tesla
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Posted on 7/4/20 at 8:57 am to
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I am surprised that Charles Lindbergh didn’t make the cut.


Ehh...I’m not saying he was a Communist, but A LOT of his friends were. Also, was pretty demonstrably a fanboy of Adolph.
This post was edited on 7/4/20 at 9:00 am
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
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Posted on 7/4/20 at 9:01 am to
George Patton (and Simon Bolivar Buckner) will be cancelled eventually; their ancestors fought for the Confederacy.
Posted by RoyalAir
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Posted on 7/4/20 at 9:10 am to
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I’m not saying he was a Communist, but A LOT of his friends were. Also, was pretty demonstrably a fanboy of Adolph.


Gotta pick one or the other. Lindbergh can't be a Nazi and a Communist.

For the record, Lindbergh deserves to be in the park. He's a true hero.

Beecher Stowe was a fraud. Wrote her book from the comforts of Connecticut or something, without ever having stepped foot in the southeast. Guess that makes her a standard "journalist. "
Posted by Quidam65
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Posted on 7/4/20 at 9:14 am to
A few on this list, I'm not too sold on, as explained below:

Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln -- we already have monuments to them; I prefer this to be a list of folks who have been largely overlooked
John Adams -- not a good President, first incumbent to get bounced
McAuliffe -- would prefer to have Neil Armstrong (with or without Buzz Aldrin) due to them being first on the moon (John Glenn could be a good add here, he being the first American to orbit the Earth)

That being said, many good names on the list, beginning with President Reagan. My RN SO is happy for Clara Barton, she would like to add Chuck Yeager at some point in the future.
This post was edited on 7/4/20 at 9:15 am
Posted by DougsMugs
Georgia
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 7/4/20 at 9:24 am to
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Robert E. Lee


He also did a lot to unify the nation after the war and to try to bring peace once the South lost.
Posted by DougsMugs
Georgia
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 7/4/20 at 9:25 am to
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good to see a Tennessean, Davy Crockett,


yeah, but he fought at the Alamo, that is going to be used by the left as a wedge issue. I hate the left.
Posted by DougsMugs
Georgia
Member since Aug 2019
8239 posts
Posted on 7/4/20 at 9:29 am to
a few to add... Lewis, Clark, Sacajawea, Sgt. York, Neil Armstrong, Chuck Yeager, Charles Lindbergh, The Wright Brothers, Thomas Edison,

All statues that are being being removed.
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 7/4/20 at 9:57 am to
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Thank you for that - He was a hero of mine as a child growing up in the late 40s - then in college I learned about his NAZI tendencies and felt betrayed. Never did any research but never heard a defense of him until /\ this /\ post

I need to do some reading - thanks for the input ===> one way or the other.



Well, Lindbergh’s public comments about the Jewish influence in the media were no doubt an unfortunate occurrence at a time of heightened tensions over the looming war in Europe. And Lindbergh faced a tremendous public backlash for those comments at the time.

Yet Jimmy Stewart, a fine American hero in his own right, believed that because of Charles Lindbergh’s heroic contribution to the war effort, Lindbergh deserved to once again be honored as the American hero that he was. Stewart thus lobbied to make a film based on Lindbergh’s famed solo flight across the Atlantic.

Stewart so believed in the project that he forwent his salary and negotiated to be paid by a share of the ticket receipts. This was a highly unusual move for a movie-star of Stewart’s stature but it speaks to the high esteem that Jimmy Stewart — and indeed many Americans — held Lindbergh.

Lindbergh indeed should be judged by the totality of his life — not the orchestrated smear campaign that has attempted to define him solely by an unfortunate choice of words at a time when the entire nation was deeply divided about the prospect of entering yet another European war. Charles Lindbergh is a great American hero whose bravery was not simply limited to his famed flight across the Atlantic.

Whistling Death: The Chance-Vought F4U Corsair....Charles Lindberg in Combat With the F4U

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Lindbergh as a civilian pilot with Marine Corps pilots and a F4U Corsair in the South Pacific, WII.



.... It was the Corsair that led to famed aviator Charles Lindbergh’s combat role in World War II. Blackballed by the White House and U.S. Army Air Forces commander General Henry H. Arnold because of his outspoken opposition to U.S. involvement in the war in Europe and the prewar resignation of his commission as a colonel in the Army Air Corps, Lindbergh sought a position in the aviation industry. In early 1942 United Aircraft President Eugene Wilson, a friend of Lindbergh’s, offered him a position with the company, but the offer was withdrawn due to pressure from the White House.

Lindbergh instead went to work for Henry Ford, who had no fear of the Roosevelt Administration and whose huge company was badly needed to produce war materials, including Consolidated Aircraft Company’s B-24 Liberator, Republic’s P-47 Thunderbolt fighter, and Pratt & Whitney’s family of engines. After Lindbergh became involved in high-altitude research work in fighters, Wilson reconsidered his relationship with the White House and asked Lindbergh to come to work for him in the Corsair program. At first, Lindbergh went back and forth between the two companies, but by the spring of 1944 he was working solely for United in research and development. As an experienced military pilot, he flew Corsairs on maneuvers with Marine units and on one occasion engaged two of the Corps’ best fighter pilots in a mock dogfight and beat them both. He was a man who knew the Corsair, and the leaders of Marine Aviation knew it.

Lindbergh’s involvement with the Corsair placed him in contact with many members of the military, and in the spring of 1944 he attended a meeting with Marine Corps representatives in Washington, D.C. During the course of the meeting, Lindbergh mentioned that United was getting conflicting reports on the capabilities of single- and twin-engine fighters, and he thought it would be a good idea for someone with considerable Corsair experience to visit Marine units in the Pacific and observe combat operations firsthand.

Marine Brig. Gen. Louis Wood said, “Why don’t you go?” Lindbergh replied that his relationship with the White House was not very good. Wood said that the White House did not need to know and that he would make the necessary arrangements for the trip.

In April 1944, Lindbergh left for the South Pacific as a Corsair technical representative with authorization to fly missions as an observer. The first leg of the journey was a cross-country flight to deliver a Corsair to the Marine airfield at El Toro, California. He remained in California for a few days, visiting Marine fighter squadrons and talking to the pilots. His next stop was Hawaii, where he took time to visit bases and meet with fighter pilots, including a visit to Midway atoll before continuing to the South Pacific. He visited with Marine squadrons out of Espiritu Santo and Guadalcanal, and he started flying combat missions out of Green Island on May 22.

At first, there was some reluctance by senior Marine officers to allow a civilian to fly combat missions, but when a few flights to test the water produced no repercussions, the Lone Eagle was turned loose in South Pacific skies. By June 10, he had flown 13 missions, including escort missions and strafing attacks on Japanese barges. Lindbergh left the Marines for a while to fly P-38s with the Army, but stopped off for a few more weeks with Marine squadrons at Kwajalein and Tarawa before he returned to the United States. He intended to spend a few days in Guam, but decided to stop in the Marshall Islands first.

During his second visit with the Marines, the veteran aviator taught Corsair pilots new techniques for dive-bombing and convinced them that the fighter could carry much larger bombs than they believed. He proved to the Marines that the Corsair could carry a 3,000-pound bomb load on September 3, 1944, when he dropped three 1,000-pound bombs on Wotje Atoll. On September 8, he dropped the first 2,000-pound bomb ever delivered by a Corsair in another attack on Wotje. Five days later, he upped the ante to 4,000 pounds when he took off with one 2,000-pound bomb and two 1,000-pounders to drop in another attack.

Lindbergh also taught the Marines how to conserve fuel by operating at lower rpms and higher manifold pressure, a technique that extended the combat range of the fighters by several hundred miles. He had taught the same technique to Army pilots, a technique that allowed fighter pilots to escort bombers much deeper into Japanese territory than they had ever gone.....


This post was edited on 7/4/20 at 10:35 am
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 7/4/20 at 10:13 am to
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Lindbergh saw people with power in the US pushing the country towards war and spoke out about it. Nothing he said was inaccurate.



What was a more egregious act? Lindbergh’s comments about the Jewish lobby in the media or FDR’s decision to unilaterally rescind the onstitutional rights of American citizens because of their ethnic background?

Why isn’t FDR judged solely by his decision to intern Japanese Americans in concentration camps? Are we allowed to pick and choose what outrages us?



Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 7/4/20 at 10:31 am to
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That’s fine. Let them do what they do. This sets up a standard of who and what we value. They are free to add pornstars and trannies reading books to children. The standard shows those don’t really belong.



It just is a can of worms that need not be opened imo. This idea will just lead to more division and rancor.

It is not enough that these progressive degenerates have their own heroes — they are compelled to obliterate the heroes of anyone who disagrees with their perverse agenda. The entire purpose of erecting public statues is to celebrate the shared cultural values of a community or nation.

We are long past that point in American history. Rather than searching for ways to further divide us as a culture, I think our efforts would be better spent searching for ways to peacefully separate.
This post was edited on 7/4/20 at 10:39 am
Posted by hnds2th
Valley of the Sun
Member since May 2019
3035 posts
Posted on 7/4/20 at 10:48 am to
Louis Armstrong should be on that list, Trump even mentioned him in his speech last night.
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