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re: Help on this question in my daughter's AP US History class.

Posted on 8/31/23 at 3:34 pm to
Posted by BugAC
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Posted on 8/31/23 at 3:34 pm to
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"Protests which occurred in the United States during the summer of 2020 after the deaths of George Floyd and Breonna Taylor can be partially blamed on the Founding Fathers' handling of the slavery question back in 1789.

Do you agree or disagree with the statement above? Justify."


False. The riots in 2020 had nothing to do with George Floyd and Breonna Taylor and even less to do with the founding fathers. The riots were committed by opportunists looking to steal things they believed was owed thanks to the Democrat party, the Public education system, and a compliant media all to willing to stoke racial divisions in order to strengthen the leftist party. All of these are steps from the communist manifesto. The CM states that one must divide the populist and propagate the lies long enough to where one believes that if x is not agreed to, then surely its' because they believe in Y."
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 8/31/23 at 3:35 pm to
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What are the exact assumptions the question is asking to consider?


Well, for one, that the police involved were racists despite no evidence.
Posted by LSU Grad Alabama Fan
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Posted on 8/31/23 at 3:38 pm to
quote:

"Protests which occurred in the United States during the summer of 2020 after the deaths of George Floyd and Breonna Taylor can be partially blamed on the Founding Fathers' handling of the slavery question back in 1789.

Do you agree or disagree with the statement above? Justify."



I disagree. I still believe the riots would have occurred even if slavery had ended 70 years earlier than it actually did. If 160 years isn't long enough to fix the problem then I doubt 230 years would be any better.
This post was edited on 8/31/23 at 3:45 pm
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 8/31/23 at 3:41 pm to
quote:

"Protests which occurred in the United States during the summer of 2020 after the deaths of George Floyd and Breonna Taylor can be partially blamed on the Founding Fathers' handling of the slavery question back in 1789.

Do you agree or disagree with the statement above? Justify."


I disagree with the statement above, because blaming people who have been dead for roughly 200 years for violence and destruction of property in 2020 is simply blaming long dead people for the criminal actions of others. Lack of responsibility and accountability is the hallmark of much of the populace these days, whereas the Founding Fathers literally signed their own death warrant in the form of the Declaration of Independence, in the name of posterity, which is to say the future citizens of the United States of America.
This post was edited on 8/31/23 at 7:45 pm
Posted by MFn GIMP
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 8/31/23 at 3:42 pm to
quote:

"Protests which occurred in the United States during the summer of 2020 after the deaths of George Floyd and Breonna Taylor can be partially blamed on the Founding Fathers' handling of the slavery question back in 1789.

Do you agree or disagree with the statement above? Justify."

I don't necessarily think it's a bad question since it asks for why you think that way. The answer is no it has nothing to do with that - although if you want to be a major edgelord you could argue that it does because if slavery was still legal George Floyd wouldn't have been in public (or allowed to breath after holding a gun to a pregnant woman's stomach).

It's a good thing to ask people to be able to articulate why they believe something. Why is that a bad thing?
Posted by Nosevens
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 8/31/23 at 3:42 pm to
So a teachers biased opinion is the source of essay to pass or fail ? That’ll go well
Posted by Undertow
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 8/31/23 at 3:43 pm to
Tell her to do what she needs to do to pass the class. Which is placate the teacher. Give the canned leftist response. Get a good grade in the class. She will likely have to do this often in her remaining education.

The good news is it’s an easy answer guaranteed to get approval from the teacher.
Posted by Deplorableinohio
Member since Dec 2018
6481 posts
Posted on 8/31/23 at 3:45 pm to
Yes you do.

A friend of mine teaches AP US History. This is a sophomore year class at his school. A few years ago, the college board revamped the curriculum. I took a mock test and nearly scored perfect on the practice exam. How? By answering every MC question from a woke perspective. It’s unbelievable.

They don’t learn history. It’s now indoctrination.

How in the hell do you get a question like this less than two or three weeks into the school year? JFC.
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
5041 posts
Posted on 8/31/23 at 3:54 pm to
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What do you all think


First, state your general answer as yes, no, or somewhere in between.

Then support your answer by explaining how the issue of slavery was handled at the constitutional convention - demonstrating your knowledge of that singular event.

Then discuss how 1789 impacted the development of the country at large, citing specific events and trends that flowed from that event - demonstrating your ability to contextualize the event within the nations broader development.

Then discuss the proximate causes of the 2020 protests - demonstrating your knowledge of that event.

Then tie, don’t tie, or somewhat tie what you described as the proximate causes of the protests to what you describe as the fallout from 1789.

And if that’s too difficult, write a letter to the teacher and teach your kid that righteous indignation obviates the need to defend one’s scholarship.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
149436 posts
Posted on 8/31/23 at 3:59 pm to
Disagree. If Floyd had been in jail like he should have been, he’s alive and there are no protests.

Also, no knock warrants should be used as little as possible. That’s why Taylor died. Not because of the founders.

Hey teach, nice try.
Posted by blueagateblues
Member since Sep 2022
252 posts
Posted on 8/31/23 at 3:59 pm to
The protests occurred because of the epidemic of unarmed Black people being murdered by white police officers.
Posted by Jimmy Montrose
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Member since Aug 2021
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Posted on 8/31/23 at 4:00 pm to
I had a roommate in college who never studied, spent the night before the exam cleaning up his room in a fit of panic and semi-drunkenness, and began every answer to every essay questions as follows:

"Some people believe_________. Others insist___________."

And then he'd proceed to regurgitate very possible thought he had on the subject.

He'd love this question.

He's a psychiatrist in KY.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
149436 posts
Posted on 8/31/23 at 4:01 pm to
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The protests occurred because of the epidemic of unarmed Black people being murdered by white police officers.




Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
25294 posts
Posted on 8/31/23 at 4:02 pm to
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The protests occurred because of the epidemic of unarmed Black people being murdered by white police officers.


10-15 a year isn't an epidemic, it's a rarity.

Also gfy
Posted by EZE Tiger Fan
Member since Jul 2004
54358 posts
Posted on 8/31/23 at 4:05 pm to
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The protests occurred because of the epidemic of unarmed Black people being murdered by white police officers.


Too bad the statistics don’t match your narrative.
Posted by VolcanicTiger
Member since Apr 2022
5933 posts
Posted on 8/31/23 at 4:05 pm to
"I disagree. There is zero evidence that racism, much less slavery, played any role whatsoever in the deaths of either one. If you don't like the answer, you're a brainwashed fool, and you are in over your head teaching students, most of whom are almost certainly a few standard deviations above you in IQ."
Posted by Free888
Member since Oct 2019
2412 posts
Posted on 8/31/23 at 4:07 pm to
It’s a leading question. One way to address it is to “agree”, but then point out more impactful reasons, such as the failed welfare programs of the Johnson administration, inadequate funding for law enforcement training, and the inability of local governments to address crime and drug issues.
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
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Posted on 8/31/23 at 4:07 pm to
Claims made without evidence can be dismissed without discussion. That is the response she should submit.
Posted by VolcanicTiger
Member since Apr 2022
5933 posts
Posted on 8/31/23 at 4:07 pm to
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The protests occurred because of the epidemic of unarmed Black people being murdered by white police officers.

"Epidemic"

Prove that even one was "murdered."

And being unarmed is not the same as being innocent, so even if we went with the 10-15 or w/e number, you have to pare that down quite a bit further.
Posted by KAGTASTIC
Member since Feb 2022
7989 posts
Posted on 8/31/23 at 4:09 pm to
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I still don't understand how this effects the interaction between police and Floyd or Taylor for that matter some 250 years later.

Ask the teacher how slavery is such a crux still for 2 people born after 1970. Also, how were their killings racial in any way? Did slavery cause Taylor to lay with her criminal boyfriend that would have cops raid his/their place? How about how was Floyd's death racial, since the states black AG didn't find it to be true, and how he died from a fentanyl overdose? Why is she so racist that she can only name criminals in her question. How about Doran who was murdered by BLM rioters. Or go back further iirc the Dallas Police officers that were assassinated by a BLM activist. Is slavery the blame for All the black on black crime?

Is all the black on white murders/crime to blame on slavery and justifiable?

Fund a way to turn it back on her and don't just discuss it with her but make sure the principal is involved too.
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