re: Help me prove my bro in law wrong...Covid

Eat some greasy food. Put on gym shorts. Tell him to take a knee behind you. Fart.

/science

True that. If anyone listens to CNN on a regular basis and actually believes that kock and bull they spew over there, well, that person is beyond help. Sorry, OP, but your kinfolk is one lost puppy.

Tell that idiot to put on a mask and then spend a few days removing asbestos while wearing it. Let’s see just how effective it really is.

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He says the proof is that the number of cases have gone up with the increase of people going to bars/social gathering without masks, etc

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The number of cases has increased with the availability and reliability of tests (although they're still nowhere near as reliable as they need to be).

Deaths have decreased because we know how to treat it better. Not necessarily how to effectively "cure" but more how not to make things worse for people infected. There's also speculation that it's mutated into a less deadly form or the summer climate has weakened it a bit.

Masks are theater but not necessarily bad. Anything that will allow the economy to reopen and minimize panic so people aren't afraid to leave their homes is worth a shot. It's a psychological thing more than anything.

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Masks are theater but not necessarily bad. Anything that will allow the economy to reopen and minimize panic so people aren't afraid to leave their homes is worth a shot. It's a psychological thing more than anything.

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So just open everything up and screw the people that want others to wear masks because it makes them feel better. We need to stop catering to the feelings of emotionally weak people. It's not my problem that other people are scared. They can stay home.

They are simply trying to force others to do something when they should be the ones taking action. They just want everyone else to accommodate them. If people not wearing masks bothers someone, there is a simple solution that he/she can take that doesn't force others to comply with his/her neurosis.

On paper / in theory masks SHOULD help to REDUCE the spread. However, I don't think this holds true in real world application of mask wearing. This is due to poor mask material, when the mask is installed, how the mask is installed, mask fit or how it's worn, hand sanitation when installed/removed/adjusting, mask adjusting and other social distancing neglect due to the presumed safety net of mask wearing. Once you realize how 9/10 people cannot implement mask wearing correctly, you can accept that it's total BS. This is why I say, f#@k it, let's roll, masks are a joke.

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No it isn't. Particularly not for the wearer who is not sick.

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Actually yes, masks provide a small protection to those who wear it if healthy.

A properly fitted n95 mask would provide good protection, but surgical masks do provide a small amount of protection to healthy people wearing them.

The real benefit comes from pre symptomatic people spreading the virus before they know they are sick. Sick people wearing masks to help protect those around them by limiting droplet spread.

It's just a matter of being polite. I don't really care that much one way or the other. It's not a hill I want to die on.

Plus I'm really thoughtful about government over reach.

I have no problem with private businesses mandating masks. I honestly don't have a problem if a business says you don't have to wear a mask.

So I'm against government mandating wearing of masks at this time. But I think government should encourage masks.

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Because it isn't rooted in science and is virtue signalling gibberish.

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I usually back your posts. And if you don't want to wear a mask, I really don't care. Unless a private business or residence wants you to wear a mask and you refuse to leave.

But you wouldn't do that. You would wear a mask if you went into a Costco, or you would choose to not to go to Costco.

But honestly, it is safer for their employees if everyone wears a mask.

But liberty and safety often diverge and I choose liberty in this case.

Over a virus that rarely kills even if spreading.

You’re incorrect. There is absolutely zero scientific evidence supporting the hypothesis masks prevent the spread of Covi-19 - zero. Increases in confirmed cases can be attributed to the riots though.

You can download a file from the CDC, pull it into a spreadsheet and analyze the data yourself. You will find the ratio of deaths to confirmed cases is over 7% in places like NY, NJ, PA, MA, and other liberal northeastern hell holes. However, the mortality rates drop to 1.5% in the other states. The total national mortality rate is roughly 3.5 percent. NY deaths can be measured against entire countries whose death toll was greater than 30,000!

The drama in places like Texas directly correlates to the 2 week period following the rights. The average confirmed cases per day in Texas was less than 5,000 per day following the riots. If those cases convert to hospitalizations there’s a problem. However, according to the Lt. Gov. there’s not a shortage of beds due to the virus ...though there are hospitalizations for things falling under the category of routine.

It is worth noting the increase in cases in AZ, TX and other states is their “first wave.” We live in a huge country. Infections take time to progress nationwide. Therefore, there is not some mutation taking place. I’m not an infectious disease expert and can see these simple trends.

I’ll leave you with this.., Hand washing is likely the best preventive measure in our collective toolkit today to slow the spread of Covid-19.

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Says it's no different than PPE in a plant

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Ask him to provide the respirator rating on his mask and ask him how he was fit tested for this mask.

The end.

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If masks are so protective, then why weren’t they mandated nationwide back in March?

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Poor leadership at the federal level.