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re: Health care is not a “right”
Posted on 6/28/19 at 1:00 pm to reboil
Posted on 6/28/19 at 1:00 pm to reboil
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Pose it another way....is your life more important than someone else’s life because you have more money than them?
Here's a truth that no one may have never told you: in every society on earth, including ours, those with money have a higher value placed on their lives than those without.
Unless you want to go full on communist, that will be the case. Even in very restrictive systems like the British system, those with money will have access to better care.
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Posted on 6/28/19 at 1:01 pm to Wolf Messing
quote:Do you know why the left gets a bad rap?
Do you know why the right gets a bad rep?
Because it's NEVER your fault.
Personal responsibility is NEVER part of the liberal lexicon.
A drug addict who loses his job, beats his wife and kids, ends up homeless –– but it's not his fault.
It's society's fault for not offering free childcare. It's Purdue Pharma's fault for manufacturing oxycontin, the medication he abused before moving to heroin. It's his bosses fault for cruelly firing him instead of funding his rehab. It's racism because he's 1/24th black.
What is it actually?
It is tiresome!
Which you translate as "Grunt, I have Job."
Posted on 6/28/19 at 1:01 pm to Wolf Messing
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I am not disabled at all
Perhaps not physically.
Posted on 6/28/19 at 1:03 pm to madddoggydawg
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So you don't accept healthcare benefits from your employer obviously...
What? Benefits aren’t a gift. It’s a negotiated part of compensation. Good lord.
Posted on 6/28/19 at 1:06 pm to BBONDS25
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It’s a negotiated part of compensation.
I don't expect the McDonald's fry cook to understand this concept, lmao...
Posted on 6/28/19 at 1:08 pm to BBONDS25
quote:Actually it's mandated.
It’s a negotiated part of compensation.
Posted on 6/28/19 at 1:11 pm to madddoggydawg
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Actually it's mandated.
Benefits may be mandated if health care is offered but employers in all states are not required to offer health insurance as a benefit...
Posted on 6/28/19 at 1:15 pm to Wolf Messing
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make better decisions and you will never need this
Exactly, make better decisions and you can afford health insurance. Great point.
Posted on 6/28/19 at 1:20 pm to Wolf Messing
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maybe can't work a full time job due to health issues
OK...
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or other circumstance that prevents it.
Name one.
Posted on 6/28/19 at 1:21 pm to madddoggydawg
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Actually it's mandated.
Accepting your assertion as absolute fact (which it is not), why would you ask the poster if he accepts employer provided benefits? You just said it is mandated. 
Low-education and low-information people that post with hubris are so fascinating to me. 
Posted on 6/28/19 at 1:26 pm to BBONDS25
quote:He has a right to decline. They have a mandate to offer.
Accepting your assertion as absolute fact (which it is not), why would you ask the poster if he accepts employer provided benefits? You just said it is mandated.
quote:Nice argument smart guy.
Low-education and low-information people that post with hubris are so fascinating to me.
Posted on 6/28/19 at 1:31 pm to SSpaniel
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Name one.
I am sure there are others, but a majority come from some type of past or current health issues, being physical or mental. It maybe also due to temporary employment or between jobs. A majority of Americans live paycheck to paycheck, and sometime those people find themselves in a situation of downsizing, or have been replaced by automation. Could be a number of reasons. Say some type of medical issue hits during this time and you're without health insurance, be you, spouse or child, and now you have racked up thousands if not hundred of thousands in medical debt. It's a snowball effect, and it can hit anybody at anytime.
Posted on 6/28/19 at 1:32 pm to madddoggydawg
Wait, let me get this straight. Do you not figure health insurance is part of your compensation?
Posted on 6/28/19 at 1:33 pm to Wolf Messing
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A majority of Americans live paycheck to paycheck
Not everyone asks for continuous handouts like you
Posted on 6/28/19 at 1:46 pm to AbuTheMonkey
Are you a Christian? How would Jesus answer this question ?
quote:
Here's a truth that no one may have never told you: in every society on earth, including ours, those with money have a higher value placed on their lives than those without.
Posted on 6/28/19 at 1:47 pm to madddoggydawg
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They have a mandate to offer.
This is not true. And it is still irrelevant.
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Nice argument smart guy.
I know.
Posted on 6/28/19 at 1:48 pm to Wolf Messing
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A majority of Americans live paycheck to paycheck
You were saying something about making better decisions....
Posted on 6/28/19 at 1:49 pm to Desert King
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It’s a service. In its simplest terms, it’s a form of labor.
By saying it’s a “right”, you are essentially saying that are entitled to the labor of another human being either directly (free service directly from a physician) or indirectly (free labor from a taxpayer who then pays the physician on your behalf). Either way, you are forcing another human being to perform labor
Servicemembers are forced to do labor often against their will -- they signed up for it and gave up that right. Why could this also not apply to healthcare?
Posted on 6/28/19 at 1:50 pm to bmy
Posted on 6/28/19 at 1:55 pm to BBONDS25
Forbes
78% Of Workers Live Paycheck To Paycheck
So maybe Americans do need someone to step in and help? Apparently 78% can't seem to do it on their own.
78% Of Workers Live Paycheck To Paycheck
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Nearly one in 10 workers making $100,000+ live paycheck to paycheck More than 1 in 4 workers do not set aside any savings each month Nearly 3 in 4 workers say they are in debt - and more than half think they always will be More than half of minimum wage workers say they have to work more than one job to make ends meet 28% of workers making $50,000-$99,999 usually or always live paycheck to paycheck, and 70% are in debt
So maybe Americans do need someone to step in and help? Apparently 78% can't seem to do it on their own.
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