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re: Has there been "regime change" in Iran?
Posted on 4/2/26 at 7:33 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 4/2/26 at 7:33 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Who is the "Supreme Leader"?
Has there been "regime change" in Iran?
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Posted on 4/2/26 at 7:33 am to Mo Jeaux
Ok I’ll give you that a “complete” regime change has not happened. Only one half as the old leadership is gone and they now await replacement. More than likely it will look like the last.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 7:33 am to Knight of Old
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Knight of Old
So what is your definition?
Posted on 4/2/26 at 7:33 am to Powerman
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Because you usually just immediately pivot to whatever helps you praise Trump?
That makes sense
Posted on 4/2/26 at 7:34 am to Bunk Moreland
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it's like people on this board assume 90% of the population wants regime change.
Yea, nevermind the thousands upon thousands of US Iranians who fled a tyrannical regime or the thousands of Persian marches.
Those baws are licking their chops waiting to capture some IRGC's. It will be worse than anything the regime has done to them. They are just waiting for the bat signal.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 7:34 am to NC_Tigah
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Who is the "Supreme Leader"?
Someone part of the regime.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 7:36 am to idlewatcher
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Yea, nevermind the thousands upon thousands of US Iranians who fled a tyrannical regime or the thousands of Persian marches.
Those baws are licking their chops waiting to capture some IRGC's. It will be worse than anything the regime has done to them. They are just waiting for the bat signal.
A. You cite thousands and ignore the millions in Iran who support the regime
B. The behavior you reference is why the 1979 revolution happened and why Iran will devolve into sectarian violence if the regime falls. Muslims love killing Muslims for revenge. Absolute joy for those people.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 7:37 am to Bunk Moreland
Tends of millions of Iranians don't want regime change and want their theocracy. The notion that almost all the Iranian citizenry want their government overthrown by foreign forces is a farce peddled by propagandists.
The idea that the Shah's son would ever be welcomed back in Iran as leader, as has been often pushed on Fox News, is complete fantasy.
What's fascinating is how we've been fricking with Iran (and the Middle East overall) for many, many decades now. We propped up the corrupt, hated Shah that led to an Islamic revolution. Then we propped up Saddam and helped him invade Iran and kick off an 8 year war. Then, like what usually happens, we have to fight the scumbag that we propped up so we then we go to war against Iraq. Twice.
We've been fricking around in the Middle East for over 50 years now.
The idea that the Shah's son would ever be welcomed back in Iran as leader, as has been often pushed on Fox News, is complete fantasy.
What's fascinating is how we've been fricking with Iran (and the Middle East overall) for many, many decades now. We propped up the corrupt, hated Shah that led to an Islamic revolution. Then we propped up Saddam and helped him invade Iran and kick off an 8 year war. Then, like what usually happens, we have to fight the scumbag that we propped up so we then we go to war against Iraq. Twice.
We've been fricking around in the Middle East for over 50 years now.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 7:37 am to SlowFlowPro
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A. You cite thousands and ignore the millions in Iran who support the regime
Posted on 4/2/26 at 7:38 am to Bunk Moreland
quote:That would make ending them as a country much easier, no?
It never occurs to some people that our bombing may actually have the opposite of the intended effect -- rallying the people around the regime against us.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 7:39 am to SlowFlowPro
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As of about 7am, CST, on April 2, 2026, has there been "regime change" in Iran following the US going to war with Iran?
YES!
And NO!
Posted on 4/2/26 at 7:40 am to idlewatcher
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Those baws are licking their chops waiting to capture some IRGC's. It will be worse than anything the regime has done to them. They are just waiting for the bat signal.
Time will tell. It doesn't sound like the admin is confident about the predictions you're making.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 7:40 am to ReauxlTide222
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What was wrong with people making those responses?
They were in direct response to people sarcastically asking “why aren’t the Iranians out in the streets taking the country back literally right this very second?”
I contend those questions were much more retarded than the response. I can’t find a whole lot wrong with the response, tbo.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 7:41 am to ReauxlTide222
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That would make ending them as a country much easier, no?
I'm not exactly sure how you propose to "end" a country of 90 million people.
It appears we miscalculated and overestimated the desire of the people to overthrow the regime
Posted on 4/2/26 at 7:41 am to Bunk Moreland
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What if it was only 100,000 people out of 90 million?
This is my question.
We see real Iranians in interviews and actions who clearly are against the current leadership, but are the one's we see representative of only a tiny minority that are being amplified by media?
Given the media's track record of distorting reality, the odds are pretty high.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 7:41 am to ReauxlTide222
Uh, I'm not sure. But, that goes to the point SFP and others have been saying about the pivot. I think Trump legitimately thought the opening strike would lead to a quick toppling of the government. Since that didn't happen, he doesn't seem to know what to do other than possibly level the country. I guess we could create a failed state there, that may be what Israel wants.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 7:42 am to SlowFlowPro
I think your definition is unfair to Trump, and it is inaccurate. If the Iranian Republican guard stays in power, however, it no longer funds, terrorism, pursues nuclear weapons, or builds, a giant missile system, then that is regime change.
What you described in your definition is not just regime change, it is nation building.
What you described in your definition is not just regime change, it is nation building.
This post was edited on 4/2/26 at 7:43 am
Posted on 4/2/26 at 7:48 am to Knight of Old
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(scare quotes should always induce cringes and eye rolls)
"scare quotes"?
The quotations are used to signify a term has multiple/malleable meanings, which is the central part of this thread/discussion (the changing terminology of "regime change")
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here’s what’s typical, you stipulating terms only favorable to your argument as if they were gospel
How do you display a conceptual/rhetorical pivot without showing the usage prior to that pivot?
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dude, there’s literally a crossroad of history in this region that extends over 2,000 years
And none of that history matters for this discussion, because the regime being discussed rose to power in 1979
There is no relevance or significance discussing the structures of the Achaemenid Empire or Safavid Empire.
Update: there has 100% been regime change from those regimes. That is not in dispute.
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More framing opinion as fact, mixed in is some sort of prescient mind-reading that, again, I’m just supposed to accept as absolute
Or you know taking a stance and defending it.
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Not even once has this administration documented the strategic goals of this military action to include regime change; not even once…
Irrelevant to the discussion (A JBird special)
Posted on 4/2/26 at 7:49 am to SlowFlowPro
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Irrelevant to the discussion (A JBird special)
Posted on 4/2/26 at 7:49 am to Jbird
Iran has 90M people, give or take.
If only a third support the regime, that's about 30M people.
If only a third support the regime, that's about 30M people.
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