re: Has anyone considered that this execution debacle could be God's will?

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by FooManChooYou should probably study that passage a bit more. Jesus upheld the actual law.

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Holy shite. If you support the death penalty it’s fine (I do) but pretending that Jesus would support the death penalty is a disgusting perversion of his teachings. There is nothing about you that is Christian whatsoever in any meaningful sense.

I doubt you’ve ever done one act of Christian charity in your entire life.

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There’s the bottom line. You don’t believe in God. You pretty much said so

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I didn’t “pretty much” say so. I did say so - that your deity is mythology.

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It amazes me how you quote so much scripture yet believe none of it.

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I quote books and movies all the time. I don’t believe those fictional accounts are real historical events. I can quote the Lion King without having to believe uncle Scar really killed Mufasa in real life.

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It’s almost as if you’re trying to disprove scripture with scripture.

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It goes past “almost”.

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Also, what you believe was a lie in that God told Adam and Eve they would die, is a spiritual death.

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Mowt ta mut. Look up the Hebrew. In every single case in the Bible it meant a literal biological death. That includes Genesis 3.

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A life separated from Him, because they believed a lie from the devil. “ You shall not die”.

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You are asserting that which has bo evidence. The Jews don’t believe the serpent was “the devil”. The text doesn’t indicate in any way that the serpent was “the devil”. The text calls the serpent a “beast of the field”. And the serpent told the truth - that Adam
And Eve would not die and that they would become like the gods knowing good and evil. What the does the scripture then say? That they immediately learned good from evil and didn’t die and lived 900 years. The serpent was the only one telling the truth in that mythological fairy tale.

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Yeah, spiritual death.

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Insisting on that is just pure stupidity.

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One last question for you, are you an atheist?

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Yes of course.

Ok are you going to ever attempt to answer why the 70,000 had to be killed by Yahweh after David’s sin, and why Achan’s sons and daughters had to be brutally murdered after his sin? How were those killings “good” and why did the creator of objective morality kill them and was it moral and just and fair?

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No sense in going any further because anything I say you would refute so now that I know where you stand, I’ll just end it here.

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Your non-answer is your answer. I take it as you admit that 70,000 innocents having to die because of the sin of one man is not a good, moral, just, or fair act. And that Achan’s sons and daughters shouldn’t have been stoned to death for what Achan did, as such an act is evil. This kind of question I asked you causes a blue screen of death in your cerebral cortex because the Bible says God is good and that he doesn’t do evil, even though it also says he is the creator of all evil and gives examples of his evil deeds.

I’ve had to put down two of my beloved friends (my dogs) and the vets never had to run an IV line. Just a powerful sedative injected to relax them and then an injection into a leg artery to stop the heart. Worked quickly and humanely both times.

Why aren’t same drugs used on humans?

An idea. Just give her a treat, pet her on the head and haul her arse over to my vet.

If she dies she dies. I under it seems harsh but she was sentenced to die. Seems like she would have been dead with out medical aid. Sentence carried out.

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No, he did not. You are stupid and you suck

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Since you are wanting to put your ignorance on full display again, I will help you out.

The law required two things in this instance: first, that if a couple were caught in adultery, that both the man and the woman were to be put to death (Lev. 20:10), and second, that death penalty cases needed two or more witnesses, and that the witnesses, themselves, had to be the first ones to throw the stones (Deut. 7:6-7).

What Jesus was doing was showing the hypocrisy of the Jews who wanted to test Jesus by the law (and even go against Roman law) while not obeying the law, themselves. They only brought the woman to be judged, not the man, and either they were not actually witnesses, or they didn’t want to be the ones to stone her.

Instead of testing Jesus to see if He would keep the law, He turned it around on them to show that they would/could not keep it.

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If you support the death penalty it’s fine (I do) but pretending that Jesus would support the death penalty is a disgusting perversion of his teachings.

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I know my statement may be surprising to you, but I've studied this quite a bit, and I know what I'm talking about here. However, I accept that I could still be wrong, so if you believe I am after I defend my position, please explain why.

Here are the high-level arguments for why I said what I said:

1. I was speaking specifically about the law of stoning adulterers. I mentioned in a post above that the civil law of Israel required that both the man and the woman caught in adultery to be put to death (Lev. 20:10), and the Jews only brought the woman to be judged by Jesus. Second, that such a penalty required 2 or more witnesses, and that those witnesses had to be the first to throw the stones to kill them (Deut. 7:6-7). Jesus had no legal right to condemn the woman brought before Him because He was not a witness to her sin, and there apparently wasn't a witness to it, since the man she was with wasn't also brought, and no one else stoned her first. There was nothing else to do but to address her sin, and Jesus told her to sin no more.

2. In Matthew 15:4, Jesus quotes the Bible when contrasting the Scripture's teaching on honoring father and mother with the teaching of the Pharisees. Jesus specifically quotes Ex. 21:15 and says it is a command from God. It's more dramatic if I quote Jesus' words, so I'll do so:

[Jesus] answered them, “And why do you break the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition? For God commanded, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘Whoever reviles father or mother must surely die.’ But you say, ‘If anyone tells his father or his mother, “What you would have gained from me is given to God,” he need not honor his father.’ So for the sake of your tradition you have made void the word of God.

3. In John 19:10-11, Pilate is talking to Jesus and said to Him that he had the power to crucify Jesus or set Him free. Instead of contradicting him and saying Pilate had no such authority (to crucify Jesus), Jesus said that the authority he had was given from above (God). Jesus actually affirmed the government's right to execution for civil crimes.

4. Lastly, Jesus will return at the end to judge all people. The imagery in Revelation is that Jesus is a man of war, and will have His clothing stained with blood from His execution of the wicked. I think that's figurative, but the judgement Jesus brings is the everlasting death penalty, casting damned souls into hell forever. It's even called the "second death" (Rev. 20:14). So here we see Jesus giving a worse form of the death penalty to the wicked as the supreme judge.

This doesn't speak to Paul's commentary, that the government does legitimately wield the power of the sword of justice (speaking of the death penalty) in Romans 13:4 and Acts 25:11.

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There is nothing about you that is Christian whatsoever in any meaningful sense.

I doubt you’ve ever done one act of Christian charity in your entire life.

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You shouldn't be so quick to judge people based on your own disagreement on a theological topic like this. I am a sinner, but I am a Christian, trusting in Jesus alone for the forgiveness of my sins, and I seek to obey Him with good works done to others out of thankfulness for that salvation I am. Also, I actually do perform acts of Christian charity very often, though that is only a fruit of my salvation, not a cause of it.

I would ask you to be careful with your judgements, but as Jesus commanded, to judge not by appearance, but with right judgement (John 7:24).