re: H1N1 vs. Coronavirus - Why are they not comparable?

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By all reports, the response to H1N1 was very poor. Action was not taken until millions were already infected, and the Obama admin had to issue an apology after Biden commented on it.

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After it was discovered, they were mass producing test kits in weeks and a vaccine was available in less than 6 months. If you consider that to be "poor", then Trump's response is an absolute shite show (which it is).

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Corona is completely new (no immunity) and WAY more contagious

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not known with certainty yet.

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Corona is not like the flu. Corona is not like H1N1. Stahp comparing them

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the comparison isn't the epidemiology. but you knew that already didn't you. the comparison is the reaction to outbreaks. outside of a relative handful of hotspots in the world, this virus is almost invisible. sensible people want a sensible, balanced response that doesn't crash the economies of the world when we could be isolating the target demographics and corn teening (saw this on fb yesterday) the hotspots. yes people are going to die. people die every day from all sorts of risks.

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this does't even make any sense.

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The way it makes sense is if you believe the 2 viruses are comparable. If you argue that they are comparable, then extrapolate away, but you won't like the numbers.

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Yes and no.
They appear comparable in the <70y/o population, perhaps with the 2009 H1N1 variant being worse.

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Appreciate those numbers you put up earlier in the thread by the way

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April 2009 H1N1 was declared a pandemic. October 24, 2009 (6 months later), after 1,000 died, did Obama declare it a Public Health Emergency.

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Yeah. He's talking about mass producing test kits and you're talking about a public declaration of an emergency

2 completely different things

Actions are more important than words

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how do you people manage to make it through daily life being this ignorant?

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i can't understand the panic and hysteria. EVERY chicken little response to this virus ignores the well known fact confirmed by all physicians that the majority of people infected have no symptoms meaning, we have no idea how long this has been around and the numbers are most assuredly not nearly as bad as the confirmed cases being tracked. those are facts, not hysteria, panic, fear mongering, scare tactics, cash grab rhetoric, etc.

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The trends suggest that we're definitely not at peak

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the peak is a slow curve, not a point. you have no idea when the peak will occur yet you feel free to keep casting doom and gloom. it's hysteria plain and simple. there are a literal handful of cities in this country that are feeling this outbreak. everyone else is not. and this has been going on for months.

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That's based on almost nothing but wishful thinking

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wrong

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2 "experts" said it was possible

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oh but the "models" are ok to believe, right? so let's shut the country down based on the models.

i'm sorry you can't see the inconsistency in your position

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they were mass producing test kits in weeks

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And those test kits were wildly inaccurate LINK

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Rapid antigen tests were widely used by clinicians at the point of care; however, test sensitivity was low (40%–69%). Many clinical laboratories developed their own pandemic influenza H1N1 PCR assays to meet clinician demand. Future planning efforts should identify ways to improve availability of reliable testing to manage patient care and approaches for optimal use of molecular testing for detecting and controlling emerging influenza virus strains.

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Private labs had to step in and develop their own kits.

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holy cow. this has got to be the most quintessential, textbook liberal thing i have ever read on this board. a board with the likes of toddy, hank, vor, mcgrath, etc.

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I don't see how you think what I'm saying is liberal

If all of the hospitalized people were simply not hospitalized do you not think that would have an impact on the mortality rate?

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October 24, 2009 (6 months later), after 1,000 died, did Obama declare it a Public Health Emergency.

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The "1,000 died" is a BS number. It is based on just those who were actually tested and tested positive for H1N1. Most were not tested or were false negatives d/t flawed testing.

In Nov 09, the CDC estimated ~4000 had died by mid-October (i.e., before Obama's declaration). Later estimates doubled that number.