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re: H1N1 vs. Coronavirus - Why are they not comparable?
Posted on 3/26/20 at 9:26 am to BugAC
Posted on 3/26/20 at 9:26 am to BugAC
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The response is not just scientific. Politics plays a big part. Look at the House bill that included congressional pay raises, early voting, and funding to the Kennedy center...
But that's part of the stimulus package
Completely separate from federal, state, and local policies about social distancing and such
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Posted on 3/26/20 at 9:26 am to Powerman
quote:what does "this type" mean? this statement doesn't help your point. if it is as bad as you say and there's only 1k deaths after 2 months, then it seems we were prepared. otherwise, it's not as bad as you are making it out
we were ill prepared for this type of pandemic
quote:hyperbole. there's 4 or 5 hotspots in the country and they are out of a very specific thing required to treat this specific virus. otherwise, it's business as usual for 95% of the country. heck, now there's 4 promising treatments.
the most affected areas are getting pushed to the limit
Posted on 3/26/20 at 9:29 am to BugAC
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I would just like a straight answer as to why the fear mongering is so high with CV, as opposed to H1N1. NOTHING SHUT DOWN DURING H1N1. Nothing shut down during Zika. Nothing shuts down for West Nile. Nothing shut down for Ebola. Nothing shut down for MERS/SARS. Why is the complete economic shutdown of our country warranted now, and not in the past?
H1N1: many schools were closed down.
In spite of the epidemic starting in Mexico and the southern US the response was quick. Testing was mass produced within weeks and the vaccine was developed in less than 6 months.
Ebola: The conservative media went apeshit over Obama bringing a sick doctor back to the US for treatment. They wanted to shut down all flights to Africa and force armed quarantines.
MERS / SARS were contained and never got to community spread in the US.
Posted on 3/26/20 at 9:29 am to bfniii
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what does "this type" mean?
One of this magnitude and pace
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if it is as bad as you say and there's only 1k deaths after 2 months, then it seems we were prepared
The first death wasn't recorded until March 2nd. You keep saying we're 2 months into this. Yes the first recorded case was 2 months ago but that's before we got really big clusters that started spreading.
Posted on 3/26/20 at 9:30 am to BugAC
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I would just like a straight answer as to why the fear mongering is so high with CV,
There are a combination of reasons
1. The Corona Virus is new. New things are scary.
2. It started here in Washington with a 7.3% mortality rate mostly because of the nursing home. That freaked a lot of people out.
3. It is highly contagious.
4. TDS. The liberal media went all in on scare tactics once the stock market started falling. They were giddy as can be reporting the falling stock market. Yes, they are hoping this crisis will hurt Trump. They'd rather see total economic collapse and put millions of Americans out of work, if it means Trump might not get re-elected. TDS is dangerous. It's one thing to not like Trump, it's another to hope for your fellow citizens to be out of work, to get sick, and to struggle financially so it makes the President look bad.
Posted on 3/26/20 at 9:31 am to Chimlim
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4. TDS. The liberal media
So why is every other country so concerned? If it were TDS and the liberal media we would be the only ones acting this way
Posted on 3/26/20 at 9:32 am to Powerman
quote:not a good comparison. asian/s.pac countries have a TOTALLY different culture.
There is a reason why every other country is taking extreme measures
quote:now this is the epitome of hysteria. i have seen multiple reports from physicians showing how it's not nearly as deadly as it's being billed not only according to stats but also according to virology. a LOT of people are aware of this and are not buying the hype. hence the prevalence of conspiracy theories regarding the response.
It's because the characteristics of this virus are deemed to be much more lethal than anything we've seen in a very long time
Posted on 3/26/20 at 9:33 am to Vacherie Saint
quote:You literally said:
You didn't need 4 pages for that, Corky Sherwood. Its been my contention the entire thread.
On pure numbers, no pandemics ever are. Which is why it isn't useful
quote:We are arguing 2 completely different things. We agree that they are not comparable (even though you originally said they are, then said they obviously aren't).
two flu pandemics. lots of dying people. two presidents. two responses.
Its comparable. But I totally understand why Obama fan boys don't want to go there.
I have not said one word about the political response...that was all you. I'm not sure why you are getting so emotional over me not arguing the political responses. Perhaps the blanket statement you used by saying it was all comparable has muddied the waters, but I stand by my statement that these two pandemics are not comparable. I think(?) you agree with that.
Posted on 3/26/20 at 9:35 am to NC_Tigah
quote:So you're saying they're not comparable...
CDC estimates are 60.8 million cases (43.3-89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (195,086-402,719), and 12,469 deaths (8868-18,306) in the United States during the 2009 H1N1 outbreak.
Current guestimates for CV19 are ~10% hospitalizations and a 0.7% CFR. Assuming no control efforts (which was basically the case in 2009) and 60.8M CV19 infections, we'd have 6,080,000 hospitalizations and 425,000 deaths. Bad news.
However with extensive CV19 and CV19ab testing, mitigation awareness, geriatric and "at-risk" isolation, and some therapeutic success, the numbers would look nothing like that. In fact, they'd likely approximate or be less than the '09 epidemic even within a functioning and open economy.
Posted on 3/26/20 at 9:37 am to Yak
THE RESPONSE you retarded bowl of lime jello!
You replied to my post to Powertool.
Holy shite, you are stupid
You replied to my post to Powertool.
Holy shite, you are stupid
Posted on 3/26/20 at 9:37 am to Vacherie Saint
quote:I thought we agreed that they're not comparable?
Yeah, but he never has to accept your comparisons because there will always be some unique wrinkle in the numbers that make them different.
quote:I never said you couldn't. In fact, I've never said a word about the political response (for the 4th time)
And if the numbers are different, we can't compare the Obama response to the Trump response. See how that works?
Posted on 3/26/20 at 9:37 am to bfniii
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now this is the epitome of hysteria. i have seen multiple reports from physicians showing how it's not nearly as deadly as it's being billed not only according to stats but also according to virology
physicians aren't exactly experts on this matter
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hence the prevalence of conspiracy theories regarding the response.
Well as long as you realize it's just that, a dumb fricking conspiracy theory
Posted on 3/26/20 at 9:38 am to mmcgrath
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In spite of the epidemic starting in Mexico and the southern US the response was quick. Testing was mass produced within weeks and the vaccine was developed in less than 6 months.
By all reports, the response to H1N1 was very poor. Action was not taken until millions were already infected, and the Obama admin had to issue an apology after Biden commented on it.
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The conservative media went apeshit over Obama bringing a sick doctor back to the US for treatment.
This is true, considering it had a 38% mortality rate.
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They wanted to shut down all flights to Africa and force armed quarantines.
Don't remember the "armed quarantine" part.
Posted on 3/26/20 at 9:39 am to NC_Tigah
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Yeah, but he never has to accept your comparisons because there will always be some unique wrinkle in the numbers that make them different.
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So you're saying they're not comparable...
See?
Posted on 3/26/20 at 9:40 am to Vacherie Saint
quote:Are they comparable, or are they not?
See?
Posted on 3/26/20 at 9:41 am to Yak
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Are they comparable, or are they not?
I guess I've had dumber dates
Posted on 3/26/20 at 9:42 am to PrinceVegeta
quote:and so far, 19 is a dud compared to h1n1. that didn't go according to plan for you
It really wasn't that much worse than the normal flu
quote:irrelevant in terms of response. you're going to do the same thing in both cases - try to stop it. the difference you're bringing up matters in a laboratory where people are trying to develop a treatment.
Different virus family all together
quote:totally false. not known at this time.much of h1n1 wasn't known until months after the outbreak. the same will be true of 19. now back to your regularly scheduled fear and panic...
the scientific and medical evidence proves SARS-Cov-2 is much much worse than H1N1 Swine Flu. It's irrefutable at this point
Posted on 3/26/20 at 9:43 am to BugAC
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This post was edited on 3/30/20 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 3/26/20 at 9:43 am to BugAC
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Are we to shutdown our economy for 20 months? Or maybe, could we be dramatically overreacting for a virus that isnt as deadly as the media wants it to be?
You need to watch more MSM. Maybe they will convince you that we're all going to die if we don't crash the economy now!
Posted on 3/26/20 at 9:45 am to Vacherie Saint
quote:Name calling aside, are they or are they not comparable? I'd like to know if you are going to say yes this time
I guess I've had dumber dates
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