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re: Guns on movie sets: “Unreasonable and unrealistic” to expect actor to check load
Posted on 10/26/21 at 9:23 am to Ag Zwin
Posted on 10/26/21 at 9:23 am to Ag Zwin
Has it been said that it was a live round? If the gun was loaded with blanks and something was was lodged in the barrel it wouldn’t have mattered if he checked if it was loaded or not. Really after the crow I thought they would have had this all figured out and stopped using live firing guns in movies.
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Posted on 10/26/21 at 9:25 am to Ag Zwin
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It boggles my mind how so many insist this is an attack on Baldwin for mocking Trump and that it’s unreasonable and unrealistic to expect an actor to do this. They say things like they are not trained or that the additional handling creates an opportunity for loss of control.
But there is no opportunity for loss of control pointing real weapons at each other on set and pulling the trigger??
Wait…. I also thought libs wanted mandatory training for people who purchase guns?? There is some sort of exception in their mind for people that only use them and do not own them??
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introduce a requirement that the actor check the clip
Cmon man….
Posted on 10/26/21 at 9:26 am to Ag Zwin
One wonders if the scene called for him to point the gun at his own head and pull the trigger that he might have put a little more effort into making sure the gun was not loaded.
- as pointed out in an article copied in another thread.
- as pointed out in an article copied in another thread.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 9:28 am to Srobi14
No one has said whether it was a live round, a blank, or something else. But it clearly fired as Baldwin was drawing the gun so there was a primer and at least some object in the barrel.
Easiest assumption is that it was an actual live round rather than a blank because the blank would need something other than wadding to shoot out in order to kill someone at the likely distance he was firing from.
Easiest assumption is that it was an actual live round rather than a blank because the blank would need something other than wadding to shoot out in order to kill someone at the likely distance he was firing from.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 9:31 am to AndyCBR
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But it appears there was a huge screw up with the armorer/gun handler on the set.
Baldwin was responsible for hiring the girl.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 9:32 am to teke184
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Easiest assumption is that it was an actual live round rather than a blank because the blank would need something other than wadding to shoot out in order to kill someone at the likely distance he was firing from.
Unless, as in the case of Brandon Lee, it was a squib. Which is a very rare and unusual occurrence.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 9:34 am to Ag Zwin
Next step will be to ban any guns from any movie shoot, period.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 9:42 am to Godfather1
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Unless, as in the case of Brandon Lee, it was a squib. Which is a very rare and unusual occurrence.
In the case of Brandon Lee it seems the armorer should have seen that one of the rounds was missing from the casing when unloading the gun to put blanks in it.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 9:44 am to Ag Zwin
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I have no way to relate to this level of intentional ignorance.
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Posted on 10/26/21 at 9:48 am to BobBoucher
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Really it’s not ABs fault. They had a guy. It’s his only f’ing job. He yelled “cold gun”. But obviously didn’t verify.
It's probably not his fault as AN ACTOR who pulled the trigger.
But remember he is a producer on the film as well. He very well might be held civilly liable in that role.
All that said and putting politics aside, to kill someone like that would be horrible. I truly feel bad for the victims and their families, but also AB.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 9:57 am to Snipe
Ok, I’m not a big gun guy. Not against them, just not highly experienced.
Why are people calling out my use of the word “clip”?
Why are people calling out my use of the word “clip”?
Posted on 10/26/21 at 10:01 am to Ag Zwin
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Why are people calling out my use of the word “clip”?
It’s wrong…. It’s a magazine. Mag will suffice.
Unless you are talking about an M1 Garand, SKS, or other similarly loaded firearm.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 10:01 am to Ag Zwin
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introduce a requirement that the actor check the clip
Hoo boy...
Posted on 10/26/21 at 10:02 am to Ag Zwin
Cause it was a revolver. They have no "clip" Also magazine is the correct term for the bullet holder in a semi-auto weapon. Clip refers to piece of metal that held bullets together in WW2 M-1 rifles.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 10:08 am to Ag Zwin
There is responsibility that comes with handling a gun. Also why was he even aiming directly at anyone? Should have been pointed off to the side. He most certainly faces some blame in this.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 10:09 am to Ag Zwin
Take it a step farther. If we can make movies like Avatar, any of the Marvel movies, Matrix, etc…why is there a need to have an actual gun, prop, empty or not, on set? Seems like something they could add in a leading to avoid anything like this happening.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 10:10 am to Rocky4LSU
Seriously?
Maybe I wasn’t clear enough, but I have not been referring to this specific case when I say there needs to be better training and processes. I was referring to all sets, where the vast majority of guns are autos.
I guess I’ll go back and change it so the Bro’s won’t sound off.
Maybe I wasn’t clear enough, but I have not been referring to this specific case when I say there needs to be better training and processes. I was referring to all sets, where the vast majority of guns are autos.
I guess I’ll go back and change it so the Bro’s won’t sound off.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 10:23 am to Ag Zwin
I was just answering your question...meant no disrespect. There is much more room for error in magazine fed, double or single action semi-auto handguns with a round left in the chamber.
Has anybody identified the make and model of the pistol yet?
Has anybody identified the make and model of the pistol yet?
This post was edited on 10/26/21 at 10:37 am
Posted on 10/26/21 at 10:46 am to Ag Zwin
If you are going to go round and round with idiots on twitter, you should try to not sound like one yourself.
Almost all semi-auto rifles or pistols you would be talking about use magazines, not clips. There is a difference. Not that it will make any difference to almost all the people you will be talking to, or make anyone in the twitter cesspool stop and actually think, but at least do it intelligently.
Almost all semi-auto rifles or pistols you would be talking about use magazines, not clips. There is a difference. Not that it will make any difference to almost all the people you will be talking to, or make anyone in the twitter cesspool stop and actually think, but at least do it intelligently.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 10:52 am to idlewatcher
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Every responsible gun owner will know if there are live rounds in the chamber or not.
As was stated in the OPs post, many actors if not mostvare not gun owners, and would have no idea how to clear every possible weapon that might used on a movie set.
This post was edited on 10/26/21 at 10:58 am
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