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re: Gun control lobby sees midterm elections as turning point in battle against NRA

Posted on 11/14/18 at 10:49 am to
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
35116 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 10:49 am to
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don't think it, I recognize that it's a fact due to numerous studies and datapoints.


Mnhm. So why is chiraq and the other cities you listed so rife with gun violence? There are laws against it, yet there it is.

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You really think that if murder were legal we'd have fewer murders than we do now? Yeah, everyone's a real angel.


And you really think a law stops criminals from doing something
Posted by Kracka
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Aug 2004
40859 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 10:50 am to
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Of course I have to ask; who do you consider an unaverage citizen?


an average citizen can walk into a gun store, fill out the paperwork and own a gun legally.

an unaverage citizen would be the opposite of that. Anyone who could not do that.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
140701 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 10:51 am to
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Tijuana to Chicago


Fast and furious
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
140701 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 10:51 am to
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stricter gun control laws could reduce the number of guns in circulation, 


Could?

Lol
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
48647 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 10:53 am to
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don't think it, I recognize that it's a fact due to numerous studies and datapoints.


Liar. The “study” you posted was an article that clearly stated nothing conclusive could be determined. No causation. Just correlation. I know you know what that means. You are just dishonest and don’t care. That’s a character issue that you will have to deal with eventually. Good luck. It’s a really really poor quality.

I also have noticed you ignore the constitutional aspect. Not a surprise. You were whining about first amendment issues, but completely ignore the second. I guess being a dishonest person makes it easier to be completely inconsistent. Sad.
This post was edited on 11/14/18 at 10:55 am
Posted by TigerMyth36
River Ridge
Member since Nov 2005
39737 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:15 am to
Why is it turning? With the House, the Senate and Presidency, they did nothing. They want issues not solutions.

Did they change immigration law? Nope. Did they make changes to gun regulations. Nope.

So not sure why the lobby thinks democrats will get anything done now.
Posted by thebigmuffaletta
Member since Aug 2017
12996 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:37 am to
These studies are meaningless. In Louisiana almost 1/3rd of all gun homicides occur in Orleans parish, the majority of the rest of the gun homicides occur in Shreveport, Baton Rouge, Monroe and Alexandria.

The same gun laws that apply in Orleans parish apply in Saint Tammany parish, yet people in Saint Tammany aren't offing each other left and right.
Posted by ninthward
Boston, MA
Member since May 2007
20445 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:43 am to
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No more than I want to put a wall around St. Louis, Baltimore, Detroit, Kansas City, New Orleans, Cleveland, Memphis, or Newark - which all have a higher per-capita homicide rate than Chicago.
Why is that?
Posted by timdonaghyswhistle
Member since Jul 2018
16322 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:45 am to
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Neither is the world walled off from Amerika.


3rd degree burn.
Posted by Bow08tie
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2011
4227 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:51 am to
When will people stop and understand...it has nothing to do with any mass shooting event...it has everything to do with disarming the society so those can do as they please
Posted by dakarx
Member since Sep 2018
6872 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:51 am to
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stricter gun control laws could reduce the number of guns in circulation,


Makes just as much sense as my ability to bump my head on the moon, if I COULD jump high enough.

Posted by Crimson Wraith
Member since Jan 2014
24910 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:55 am to
LINK

1. America is relatively safe, and the trend is toward becoming safer.

According to the National Crime Victimization Survey, violent crime has been declining steadily since the early 1990s.

The 2011 homicide rate was almost half of the rate in 1991, and according to Pew Research, the 2013 gun-related death rate was half of the rate in 1993.

The number of non-fatal firearm crimes committed in 2011 was one-sixth the number committed in 1993.

In the past few years, there have been minor increases in certain types of violent crimes, mainly in large metropolitan areas. However, these increases are nowhere near those seen in the 1990s and are largely related to gang activity.

2. The principal public safety concerns are suicides and illegally owned handguns.

According to the Pew Research Center, almost two-thirds of America’s annual gun deaths are suicides. Since 1981, when the Centers for Disease Control began publishing data, gun suicides have outnumbered gun homicides. In 2010 alone, 19,392 Americans used guns to kill themselves.
Most gun-related crimes are carried out with illegally owned firearms—as much as 80 percent according to some estimates.

The FBI’s Uniform Crime Reports prove that the overwhelming majority of gun-related homicides are perpetrated with handguns, with rifles of any kind accounting for less than 3 percent of gun-related homicides. In 2013, 5,782 murders were committed by killers who used a handgun, compared to 285 committed by killers who used a rifle. The same holds true for 2012 (6,404 to 298); 2011 (6,251 to 332); 2010 (6,115 to 367); and 2009 (6,501 to 351).

More people are stabbed to death every year than are murdered with rifles. A person is more likely to be bludgeoned to death with a blunt object or beaten to death with hands and feet than to be murdered with a rifle.

3. A small number of factors significantly increase the likelihood that a person will be a victim of a gun-related homicide.

According to the Crime Prevention Research Center, over 50 percent of murders occur in 2 percent of the nation’s 3,142 counties. Moreover, gun-related homicides are heavily concentrated in certain neighborhoods within those counties: 54 percent of U.S. counties had zero murders in 2014.

4. The perpetration of gun-related murders is often carried out by predictable people.

According to studies, almost all mass public shooters have extensive histories of mental health issues (whether delusional/psychiatric or depression/anger), disturbing behaviors, or interpersonal violence.

5. Higher rates of gun ownership are not associated with higher rates of violent crime.

Switzerland and Israel have much higher gun ownership rates than the United States but experience far fewer homicides and have much lower violent crime rates than many European nations with strict gun control laws.
While some will argue that the guns carried by Swiss and Israeli citizens are technically “owned” by the government in most cases, this does little to negate the fact that many citizens in those countries have ready access to firearms.

Higher rates of concealed carry permit holders are even more strongly associated with reduction in violent crime than are “right-to-carry” states. The probable reason for this is that “right-to-carry” studies often include “open carry” states, which have not been shown to correlate with more people actually carrying or even owning firearms. Rates of concealed carry permit holders are better indicators of the number of people who actually possess and carry firearms within a given population.

6. There is no clear relationship between strict gun control legislation and homicide or violent crime rates.

Homicide and firearm homicide rates in Great Britain spiked in the years immediately following the imposition of severe gun control measures, despite the fact that most developed countries continued to experience a downward trend in these rates. Similarly, Ireland’s homicide rates spiked in the years immediately following the country’s 1972 gun confiscation legislation.

Australia’s National Firearms Act appears to have had little effect on suicide and homicide rates, which were falling before the law was enacted and continued to decline at a statistically unremarkable rate compared to worldwide trends.

According to research compiled by John Lott and highlighted in his book “The War on Guns,” Australia’s armed and unarmed robbery rates both increased markedly in the five years immediately following the National Firearms Act, despite the general downward trend experienced by other developed countries.

Great Britain has some of the strictest gun control laws in the developed world, but the violent crime rate for homicide, rape, burglary, and aggravated assault is much higher than that in the U.S. Further, approximately 60 percent of burglaries in Great Britain occur while residents are home, compared to just 13 percent in the U.S., and British burglars admit to targeting occupied residences because they are more likely to find wallets and purses.

7. Legally owned firearms are used for lawful purposes much more often than they are used to commit crimes or suicide.

In 2013, President Barack Obama ordered the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) to assess existing research on gun violence. The report, compiled by the Institute of Medicine and the National Research Council, found (among other things) that firearms are used defensively hundreds of thousands of times every year.
According to the CDC, “self-defense can be an important crime deterrent.” Recent CDC reports acknowledge that studies directly assessing the effect of actual defensive uses of guns have found “consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies.”

Semi-automatic rifles (such as the AR-15) are commonly used as self-defense weapons in the homes of law-abiding citizens because they are easier to control than handguns, are more versatile than handguns, and offer the advantage of up to 30 rounds of protection.

8. Concealed carry permit holders are not the problem, but they may be part of the solution.

Noted criminologist John Lott found that, as a group, concealed carry permit holders are some of the most law-abiding people in the United States. The rate at which they commit crimes generally and firearm crimes specifically is between one-sixth and one-tenth of that recorded for police officers, who are themselves committing crimes at a fraction of the rate of the general population.

Between 2007 and 2015, murder rates dropped 16 percent and violent crime rates dropped 18 percent, even though the percentage of adults with concealed carry permits rose by 190 percent.
Posted by Ten Bears
Florida
Member since Oct 2018
3322 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:59 am to
Lott is pretty much a bad arse...I was at UC in 97 when he just finished his study and was able to hear him speak.

He was pretty much an econ dork who went in with a predisposition that guns were bad and the data proved otherwise.
Posted by DemonKA3268
Parts Unknown
Member since Oct 2015
19245 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 12:02 pm to
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And here we go again.
It is amazing how people who claim to be so smart and enlightened are clueless as frick. I'm sure all them good criminals out there will just turn their guns over if they were illegal. I mean that's the thinking, right? Damn idiots, then they would be clamoring for someone to protect them. Quit thinking with feelings and use your damn brain, for once.
Posted by Redbone
my castle
Member since Sep 2012
18878 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 12:12 pm to
I gotta wonder why no libtards called for gun control when the idiot shot republicans at baseball practice.

Fuukin stupid libtards !!!
Posted by MizzouBS
Missouri
Member since Dec 2014
5854 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 12:13 pm to
Same people that are in favor how the 1st Amendment is defined are the same people of how 2nd Amendment is defined on both sides.

If they think the 2nd Amendment should be changed they should look at the all Amendment’s as well.

There will always be people on how Amendments are defined or if they should be changed/updated.

The NRA should find out what they really want. Right now like many of us they are afraid if you start changing the 2nd Amendment where does it stop.
This post was edited on 11/14/18 at 12:15 pm
Posted by 14&Counting
Eugene, OR
Member since Jul 2012
37697 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 12:40 pm to
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Honestly with all these crazy baws shooting people up, it seems inevitable.


The more of these mass shootings that occur sooner or later public opinion is going to turn. Thugs can shoot each other all day long in shitholes like south side of Chicago and no one really cares, not even liberals. When you have people getting shot up in schools, concerts, and bars, that is when people will turn on the issue.

I don't know what the answer is but if these things continue, eventually the public will demand something be done whether its good policy or not.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 2:41 pm to
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That's exactly what we see: states with stricter gun laws have fewer firearms deaths

Aren't you cute trying to shift from localized city problems to full states and from gun crime to firearms deaths like no one was gonna notice.

As per usual. You're pathologically dishonest.
This post was edited on 11/14/18 at 6:54 pm
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
14035 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 3:18 pm to
same story different day
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
21938 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 9:15 pm to
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BBONDS25


As usual, you're wrong.

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