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re: ‘Grossly insufficient’: Judge blasts DOC-suggested fixes for Angola’s Farm Line
Posted on 8/19/24 at 7:41 am to Gee Grenouille
Posted on 8/19/24 at 7:41 am to Gee Grenouille
It would have to beat working in the laundry or sanitation detail in that stinking prison.
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Posted on 8/19/24 at 7:57 am to 4cubbies
Is your whole family in prison or something?
Posted on 8/19/24 at 8:10 am to 4cubbies
Punishment/pain is a deterrent meant to protect the innocent. To the degree that deterrence becomes impotent, the innocent suffer. Whatever we tolerate we get more of. If or when civil society suffers because of an impotent Justice System as such is designed to protect the innocent and punish the perpetrators, then at some point of increasing pain, society will then abandon the relatively compassionate System and impose draconian and sure to work vigilante type punishment. There was very little crime back when I was a child because the people (WWII warriors) simply did not tolerate it, and the elected Civil LE leadership reflected this intolerance. That was a good thing for ALL as crime was just not an option for relatively sociopathic individuals. In today’s cultural dynamic crime is justified as Marxist ideology accuses the Capitalist System of being the cause of criminal behavior in individuals who (for various reasons) cannot find success in a personal meritocracy competition. The Marxist blame Capitalism and the simple-minded who are inclined to envy and contempt for them who are able to prosper, then go rogue against ‘the system’ which they ‘believe’ that leaves them out, while believing their outrage is morally justifiable. People are not equal, nor should they be, in a Worldly or Spiritual scenario, if people are indeed free to choose and learn from the consequences of their choices. The Rules must apply if merit and accountability must apply. Life 101, and the movement towards‘Heaven’ or ‘Hell’. And attempts via some ‘Orwellian’ “Animal Farm’ System to equalize all of society will be a calamitous and painful failure. Live and learn.
Posted on 8/19/24 at 8:16 am to RCDfan1950
PS. I’ve worked and played sports in 95+ heat my whole life with no problems. Sufficient hydration and cooling breaks are common sense. This is not rocket science and sounds more like political partisanship mind games.
Posted on 8/19/24 at 8:16 am to Diamondawg
I don’t personally know anyone in prison. Why?
Posted on 8/19/24 at 8:18 am to Azkiger
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So you're saying it's impossible that, even though crime is down, advances in forensics isn't enough to overcome the reduction in crime to increase incarnation rates?
I’m saying that your claim that advances in DNA testing starting in the 80s are responsible for the massive increase in incarceration is absolutely ridiculous and 100% false.
Posted on 8/19/24 at 8:21 am to dgnx6
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Maybe you should go offer up your morals in conjugal visits.
Maybe you should stop being a disgusting pig, but I doubt you will considering it’s your entire personality.
Posted on 8/19/24 at 8:26 am to Homesick Tiger
Posted on 8/19/24 at 8:37 am to 4cubbies
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I know we hate when the human dignity of living people is respected around here.
Rape, robbery, murder. etc is stripping people of "dignity"
Maybe the people in Angola should have had better morals and they wouldn't be there suffering
Posted on 8/19/24 at 8:49 am to MemphisGuy
Isn’t Angola mostly full of lifers?
Posted on 8/19/24 at 9:23 am to 4cubbies
How many inmates have died or been hospitalized from heat stroke/exhaustion at Angola? If such were occurring on the regular would not our lawsuit happy state be paying out millions and millions of dollars... therefore curbing the practice?
Is this real or a "can you imagine" empathy masturbation fest to be able to look in the mirror and say:
I am the special golden hearted rational loving humane voice! I have imagined the suffering of my fellow humans. I must decry the injustice of this vision!
Imaginings that aren't even thought through... because it's not about reality but pomp. A precious preening.
Is this real or a "can you imagine" empathy masturbation fest to be able to look in the mirror and say:
I am the special golden hearted rational loving humane voice! I have imagined the suffering of my fellow humans. I must decry the injustice of this vision!
Imaginings that aren't even thought through... because it's not about reality but pomp. A precious preening.
Posted on 8/19/24 at 9:53 am to 4cubbies
quote:Should be obvious. It's pretty much the only thing you start threads about.
I don’t personally know anyone in prison. Why?
Posted on 8/19/24 at 10:04 am to ironwood
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How many inmates have died or been hospitalized from heat stroke/exhaustion at Angola?
I didn't find information to specific to Angola, but it looks like 16 people died while in the custody of the LA DOC from heat-related complications last year.
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If such were occurring on the regular would not our lawsuit happy state be paying out millions and millions of dollars... therefore curbing the practice?
There are lawsuits. Inmates sue for livable conditions, not millions of dollars they can't spend because they are incarcerated.
DOC simply doesn't comply.
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Is this real or a "can you imagine" empathy masturbation fest to be able to look in the mirror and say:
I am the special golden hearted rational loving humane voice! I have imagined the suffering of my fellow humans. I must decry the injustice of this vision!
Imaginings that aren't even thought through... because it's not about reality but pomp. A precious preening.
Huh? I think this sounded better in your head.
Posted on 8/19/24 at 10:12 am to Diamondawg
My post history disagrees but ok.
Catholic social teaching has shaped my values. I guess 14 years of Catholic school paid off.
One of the corporal works of mercy is to visit the imprisoned.
We are called to minister to and protect the most vulnerable in society. We are called to advocate for the voiceless. For a country "founded on Christian values," as so many here claim, we certainly abandon those values when it comes to living like Jesus tells us to.
Catholic social teaching has shaped my values. I guess 14 years of Catholic school paid off.
One of the corporal works of mercy is to visit the imprisoned.
We are called to minister to and protect the most vulnerable in society. We are called to advocate for the voiceless. For a country "founded on Christian values," as so many here claim, we certainly abandon those values when it comes to living like Jesus tells us to.
Posted on 8/19/24 at 10:14 am to stout
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Maybe the people in Angola should have had better morals and they wouldn't be there suffering
I find it hilarious that you believe you're in a position to lecture anyone about morals.
Posted on 8/19/24 at 10:37 am to 4cubbies
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Why dont you tell us about how you weep for the thousands of people who work outside daily? Roofers, framers, landscape, welding, farmers etc.
Why should some people be exempt from that labor because they are a criminal?
Posted on 8/19/24 at 10:38 am to 4cubbies
quote:Did Kairos for a number of years. We always asked to bring us their worst, i.e., gang leaders. A friend of mine and I went out there every Tuesday for a year leading up to a guy's release and 17 years in prison. There were a couple of guys that went out once and week and spoke with all of the men in that program. He immediately went off paper when he was released (no probation or parole). He was allowed to return to his home town in Ohio. He still had a family to go back to which is unusual. Ninety five percent lose contact with family after only 5 years. So, I probably have spent as much time as you inside. I am aware of what goes on inside. Some are worse than others but very few are there that shouldn't be but some get longer sentences because have to rely on public defenders. So I realize there is a disparity in sentencing but I can't do anything about that.
One of the corporal works of mercy is to visit the imprisoned.
Posted on 8/19/24 at 10:49 am to 4cubbies
4chubbies with her usual, "Republicans are meanies who 'oppress' minorities" post. 
Don't like it, don't commit crimes and go to Angola. It's fricking simple.
Don't like it, don't commit crimes and go to Angola. It's fricking simple.
Posted on 8/19/24 at 10:52 am to 4cubbies
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Moral enough not to break the law so bad as to wind up in Angola.
You put so much faith in the state that you believe everyone it convicts is guilty?
Contrast that with you, who acts as if we're still living in the pre-Civil Rights Era South and every black person convicted of a serious crime is The New Jim Crow, they're innocent and have been framed by "racist police and law enforcement officials." frick you.
Posted on 8/19/24 at 10:56 am to 4cubbies
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Does everyone who makes a mistake lose their human dignity?
If that "mistake" is a crime or list of crimes so serious as to wind up in Angola, working on the farm line, then yes. They at least temporarily lose their human dignity. It's called punishment. frick 'em.
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