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Ebbandflow
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Govt Assistance and Minimum Wage
So posters of this board are against govt assistance. The same people have shown to be against minimum wage increase.

Question: How can you have it both ways?

If someone is being paid a wage that is not liveable, they will require assistance. If they make enough to live, they will not be eligible.

Seems to me that the modern day right-winger does love to give their tax dollars to protect the corporate world. This is due to some indoctrination that I do not understand.

First the sponsors of a right-wing radio show or news will lead you to believe that if anyone gets any raises that the company is going to go bankrupt and no one will have any jobs and that trickle down economics will help everyone. Everyone that is including the guy who makes less than a livable wage.

Second, you blame the worker for poor life choices. The problem with this logic is that if the worker did make better life choices and really all workers made better life choices in and did not want to work a minimum wage job because they were more qualified, then who would be hired to do the job? And if no one was hired to do the job because it was all beneath them then they would have to pay more money for to hire people to do those jobs.

Just going in-depth for some of you so that you finally understand how this all works


upgrayedd
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re: Govt Assistance and Minimum Wage
This is perfect insight into the mind of the left


Tridentds
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re: Govt Assistance and Minimum Wage
I would be for government assistance and letting people work. Most of them are trapped in government assistance already. Give them a way to help themselves and not give up government assistance cold turkey.

Would be easy to phase out or reduce government assistance over a 2 or 3 year period for families and individuals.


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Cosmo
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re: Govt Assistance and Minimum Wage
Again minimum wage is what teenagers make at burger king

If you are 40 making minimum wage you have fricked up along the way


Monday
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re: Govt Assistance and Minimum Wage
The first job I ever held was a minimum wage job. I was a high school kid. Those jobs are not meant for providers. Do you not realize that low skill jobs are never going to pay well? Register lady at Mickey D’s Is not a career.


Ebbandflow
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Again minimum wage is what teenagers make at burger king


That is a very blanket generalization and one that is unquantifiable. In other words, you were just talking out of your ass.

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you are 40 making minimum wage you have fricked up along the way



This could be true in some cases and not true in others. Some people have an IQ of 80 and some people have made some poor choices like drug addiction etc.
Either way, they deserve to pay rent.

Your point of view is one that is very corporate coddling and assumes that everyone making minimum wage lives with their parents. You also seem to forget that minimum wage is a thing that has been increasing incrementally overtime in modern history.

If you want to be up in arms about something, this is not your fight


SDVTiger
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re: Govt Assistance and Minimum Wage
Sorry you are still making minimum wage or receiving Govt Assistance

Must of us have grown up and gotten past that


TigerBait1971
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re: Govt Assistance and Minimum Wage
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they deserve to pay rent.


What the frick does this mean?


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Ebbandflow
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Must of us have grown up


You may have missed a grade along the way. Lol


BlackHelicopterPilot
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lead you to believe that if anyone gets any raises that the company is going to go bankrupt and no one will have any jobs




The worker isn't "getting a raise" if the Fed Gov points a gun at the owner and demands he pay more. A worker "gets a raise" by being more productive and having the owner WANT to retain him.


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you blame the worker for poor life choices


yep


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The problem with this logic is that if the worker did make better life choices and really all workers made better life choices in and did not want to work a minimum wage job because they were more qualified, then who would be hired to do the job?




Employers will pay MORE when the labor market demands MORE by scarcity.

This is when those immigrants (LEGAL) come in handy, BTW.



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Just going in-depth for some of you so that you finally understand how this all works




This post was edited on 2/12 at 4:04 pm


Ebbandflow
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Register lady at Mickey D’s Is not a career.


I know. They were making $4.25 when I was in high school. And also by your post your kind of admitting that the only Industries really affected would be fast food correct?


stat19
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If someone is being paid a wage that is not liveable, they will require assistance.


No, that's not how real reality works, only liberal reality.


SDVTiger
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You may have missed a grade along the way. Lol



Minimum wage worker response. Lol


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Ebbandflow
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Employers will pay MORE when the labor market demands MORE by scarcity.


So what would be the difference between that and raising minimum wage?

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This is when those immigrants (LEGAL) come in handy, BTW.


Well then what would Republicans do if they didn't have those? Again this is one of those situations where you can't have it both ways. Most businessmen are Republicans and are always for cutting regulations and always for cutting cost and always for f****** the American people


Bard
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re: Govt Assistance and Minimum Wage
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So posters of this board are against govt assistance. The same people have shown to be against minimum wage increase.

Question: How can you have it both ways?


It's not "both ways", it's the same way: go out and work your way up.

Minimum wage was never meant to be a wage people could use to live on their own, it's an entry wage for low-to-no-skill workers.

Either get proficient enough at your job to get a raise/promotion, get some form of continuing education (certifications, vo-tech, college, etc) or in an ideal world get both.

Don't want to put in the time and/or effort to make something more of yourself than mopping the floors at the IHOP? Then you get minimum wage, it's that simple.


GoCrazyAuburn
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re: Govt Assistance and Minimum Wage
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So what would be the difference between that and raising minimum wage?


Yikes.


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Bard
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re: Govt Assistance and Minimum Wage
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So what would be the difference between that and raising minimum wage?


A voluntary business decision versus mandating by the government.


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rintintin
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re: Govt Assistance and Minimum Wage
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So posters of this board are against govt assistance. 


I assure you every poster on this board isn't against govt assistance, just the current policy of govt assistance that provided zero incentive to actively find employment.

I'm sure most would get behind something like, you're required to provide so many hours of community service to receive govt assistance if unemployed.

Contrary to what you think, most non-leftists don't want people to go hungry, be homeless, etc. They simply want them to provide some type of service to society in order to receive benefits.

Which is really the hallmark of a functioning society, everybody chipping in.
This post was edited on 2/12 at 4:10 pm


Centinel
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re: Govt Assistance and Minimum Wage
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If someone is being paid a wage that is not liveable, they will require assistance.


No, they don't "require" assistance.

Your entire premise is false, therefore the rest of your argument is pointless.

Next.





ShortyRob
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re: Govt Assistance and Minimum Wage
Oh Jeebus Christ

It's germandawg economics

Hey OP. You're asking questions that show you are too ignorant to understand the answers


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