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re: George W. Bush released 520 prisoners from Guantanamo bay
Posted on 6/5/14 at 11:24 am to Vegas Bengal
Posted on 6/5/14 at 11:24 am to Vegas Bengal
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There's no question about it. GOPers are furious over Obama acting on a signing statement calling it "illegal" yet Bush did it multiple times. And Reagan didn't hide behind a signing statement. He just broke the law selling over 2500 missiles to Iran and he didn't even get the hostages back!
Hey. Long-time listener here.
Was Iran-Contra an overreach of Presidential authority and was it illegal?
Follow-up, was Bush's use of signing statements an overreach of Executive Branch power?
And finally, if those two were abuses of Executive authority, are you willing to admit that this prisoner swap was an overreach of Executive Branch power or do you treat Presidents with a D after their name differently than the others?
I'll hang up and listen.
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 11:24 am to TT9
You being one of the “ dumb azz ” people that voted this man in wouldn't have a clue about degrees of security threat would you ?
Why do you think these guys were still being held loco ?
Why do you think these guys were still being held loco ?
This post was edited on 6/5/14 at 11:38 am
Posted on 6/5/14 at 11:28 am to S.E.C. Crazy
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 11:31 am to TT9
I guess since Bush was such a model president, that makes it ok for Obama to do it?
Posted on 6/5/14 at 12:11 pm to TT9
Did Bush ignore the laws of the United States when he released detainees? I have not questioned the exchange, in fact I have even defended the decision to repatriate Bergdahl. My only criticism has been Obana's complete disregard for the law requiring notification to Congress. I can understand the administration not being able to provide 30 days advance notice, but I cannot understand giving zero.
As I pointed out earlier, the U.S. has been in negotiations with the Taliban since at least May of 2012 regarding 5 detainees. What was to prevent Obama from informing Congress of the terms he was willing to accept for releasing 5 detainees? The fundamental principle of our system of government is consent of the governed. Obama has shown contempt for the branch of our government that represents the governed by his actions, in this matter and in others.
Don't you think pointing out hypocrisy is questioning the actions of others? So you think it is okay for you to question other, but it is not okay for them to question you. Care to comment on your own hypocrisy?
As I pointed out earlier, the U.S. has been in negotiations with the Taliban since at least May of 2012 regarding 5 detainees. What was to prevent Obama from informing Congress of the terms he was willing to accept for releasing 5 detainees? The fundamental principle of our system of government is consent of the governed. Obama has shown contempt for the branch of our government that represents the governed by his actions, in this matter and in others.
quote:Bull shite. What did you expect when you started this topic, that it would go without comment? You got exactly what you wanted, responses. So quit complaining about something you had every expectation would occur.
I'm not here to answer questions, I'm here to point out the hypocrisy from the right.
Don't you think pointing out hypocrisy is questioning the actions of others? So you think it is okay for you to question other, but it is not okay for them to question you. Care to comment on your own hypocrisy?
Posted on 6/5/14 at 12:17 pm to Poodlebrain
quote:Depends on whether you believe "Signing Statements" are legal or not. If you believe that Signing Statements are illegal, the Obama broke the law as did Bush hundreds of times. If you don't then neither one did when ignoring a law that they found unconstitutional and therefore unenforceable.
Did Bush ignore the laws of the United States when he released detainees?
This post was edited on 6/5/14 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 6/5/14 at 1:00 pm to a want
Why yes. Because the Left and International Community were screaming for detainees to be released.
So the Bush Administration decided which ones were low level fighters, or those simply swept up by accident, and needed to be released.
Roughly 20% returned to the battlefield. This isn't an exact science. And something tells me that Bush consulted with Congress.
One thing you can be sure of. The Obama Five will do everything they can to harm the US.
But Obama won't have to worry. He and his charming wife and darling little girls will always have world class security. It's we poor slobs on the ground who are going to suffer.
So the Bush Administration decided which ones were low level fighters, or those simply swept up by accident, and needed to be released.
Roughly 20% returned to the battlefield. This isn't an exact science. And something tells me that Bush consulted with Congress.
One thing you can be sure of. The Obama Five will do everything they can to harm the US.
But Obama won't have to worry. He and his charming wife and darling little girls will always have world class security. It's we poor slobs on the ground who are going to suffer.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 1:02 pm to TT9
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George W. Bush released 520 prisoners from Guantanamo bay
Where was all the hell raising from the right then?
I tuned in to MSNBC yesterday to see how they were reporting the story. You just quoted their spin pretty much verbatim.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 1:04 pm to TT9
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George W. Bush released 520 prisoners from Guantanamo bay
It took you guys about the 72 hours that I predicted it would take to get your talking points.
But man, you really couldn't think this one up inside of that time frame?
LOL. It's worse than I thought!!!
Posted on 6/5/14 at 1:09 pm to a want
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How is he saying it's Bush's fault? He's just pointing out the hypocrisy.
So the fact that Bush let some guys go makes this ok?
Just want to get it on the record.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 1:14 pm to mmcgrath
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If you believe that Signing Statements are illegal, the Obama broke the law as did Bush hundreds of times
The whole tu quoque ("well the other guy did it too") fallacy falls completely apart when you take into account the fact that Obama campaigned on doing it better and cleaner than the previous guys.
Try again.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 1:27 pm to TT9
What exactly are threads like this meant to prove? That a lot of people are hacks who have a devotion to their political "team" and will change their opinions on a whim depending on who is in power?
Yeah, no shite. The right and the left are guilty of this.
Yeah, no shite. The right and the left are guilty of this.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 1:48 pm to Godfather1
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The whole tu quoque ("well the other guy did it too") fallacy falls completely apart when you take into account the fact that Obama campaigned on doing it better and cleaner than the previous guys.
Try again.
I am completely against "the other guy did it" arguments. I am just pointing out that his action being illegal is dependent on whether you believe in signing statements.
It seems that the law is on his side. Bush was criticized for using signing statements so frequently. I personally would disagree with a law that would require me to provide 30 days notice for any prisoner swap, knowing how sensitive and confidential negotiations could be.
I can't believe that some of the same people that think that torture is a necessary evil because of the time crunch hypothesis, yet feel that 30 days notice on all prisoner swaps is somehow reasonable.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 1:51 pm to mmcgrath
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feel that 30 days notice on all prisoner swaps is somehow reasonable.
why wouldn't it be?
Posted on 6/5/14 at 1:55 pm to mmcgrath
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Bush was criticized for using signing statements so frequently.
Yes, though this claim has been significantly overstated. The frequency of his use was trumped up for largely political reasons.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 3:17 pm to SavageOrangeJug
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George Bush has not been POTUS for 5½ years. Try to stay up on current events. It will make it easier on all of us. Thanks.
Answer his question. It's a legitimate one.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 3:22 pm to charlieg14
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Answer his question. It's a legitimate one.
It has been answered, several times.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 3:41 pm to TT9
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I'm here to point out the hypocrisy from the right.
No you're hear to troll.
George Washington released prisoners. So did Abe Lincoln. Does that have shite to do with Obama releasing terrorists, some of which are wanted by the UN for the mass murder of thousands, for a deserter? I think not. Bergdhal would have been shot dead in their day for treason.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 3:49 pm to Choctaw
quote:So after 3 years of negotiating for a prisoner's release, the Taliban finally agree to terms. Then we have to say "OK, but hold on for 30 days, OK? We have to send notice to Congress. In the meantime I guess we will have to hope that no one leaks this trade in the meantime..."quote:why wouldn't it be?
feel that 30 days notice on all prisoner swaps is somehow reasonable.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 3:52 pm to crimsonsaint
quote:This is a very trumped up charge. Several sources in Afghanistan have reported that there isn't any evidence that they were directly involved.
some of which are wanted by the UN for the mass murder of thousands
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