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re: "Gender affirming healthcare"
Posted on 7/20/23 at 3:56 pm to AUTigerking
Posted on 7/20/23 at 3:56 pm to AUTigerking
quote:I am NOT going to belittle this ... thought.
Wow. Just wow. Dude compared chopping your dick off to getting breast implants….
Analogies need not be a "perfect match" to be useful analytical tools. Yes, cosmetic surgery (whether a mammoplasty or some other surgery) shares a NUMBER of characteristics in common with gender transition surgery, just as there are OTHER characteristics that they do not share.
Comparing the similarities and the differences in an analogy is often quite useful in gaining a better understanding of an issue.
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Posted on 7/20/23 at 4:01 pm to AggieHank86
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am NOT going to belittle this ... thought.
You should. Its ridiculous. Akin to saying that adding performance tires to your boat is the same as adding them to your sports car.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 4:04 pm to ThuperThumpin
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you don't beleive you can have an honest discussion without arguing your beliefs? What about an honest discussion to help
How can you have a "honest" discussion when you're not honest with your opinions?
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believe there are folks that perceive themselves as trans.
Perceiving and actuality are 2 different things. What do you believe in?
Posted on 7/20/23 at 4:07 pm to HoopyD
You have to give the Progs/Dims/Groomers credit for their understanding of how to use the written language to confuse and deceive society.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 4:08 pm to SOSFAN
quote:How shallow, to think that one can engage in reasonable discussion ONLY if one has already formed one's opinions.
you don't beleive you can have an honest discussion without arguing your beliefs? What about an honest discussion to helpquote:
How can you have a "honest" discussion when you're not honest with your opinions?
Posted on 7/20/23 at 4:08 pm to mahdragonz
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Women who get breast implants have body dysphoria on what they think their gender should look like.
They are thinking, I guess, I’m a girl, I want to be more girly so I’m going to enhance what I’ve been given. They seem want to look more like the sex they’re born with, not reject it and imagine themselves a different sex.
I’m not a fan of it because I believe it’s generally unnecessary, but it’s not the equivalent to “gender affirming care” you’re trying to make it.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 4:13 pm to SOSFAN
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What do you believe in?
Can u be more specific? I don't beleive a biological male can become a biological female.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 4:15 pm to AggieHank86
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How shallow, to think that one can engage in reasonable discussion ONLY if one has already formed one's opinions.
I would expect you to say this when you change your opinions post to post. One can only have an honest discussion when they are honest with their stance otherwise it's arguing for the sake of arguing but you know that don't you Pedohank.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 4:17 pm to ThuperThumpin
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I don't beleive a biological male can become a biological female.
Do you believe that a man cannot ever be a woman and vice versa? Do you believe gender is tied into biological sex?
Posted on 7/20/23 at 4:22 pm to SOSFAN
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would expect you to say this when you change your opinions post to post. One can only have an honest discussion when they are honest with their stance
Is I Dont Know an honest enough stance?
Posted on 7/20/23 at 4:24 pm to ThuperThumpin
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I Dont Know an honest enough stance?
You don't know if a man can or cannot ever be a woman? You don't have an opinion if sex and gender are tied together?
Posted on 7/20/23 at 4:29 pm to AggieHank86
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Analogies need not be a "perfect match" to be useful analytical tools. Yes, cosmetic surgery (whether a mammoplasty or some other surgery) shares a NUMBER of characteristics in common with gender transition surgery, just as there are OTHER characteristics that they do not share.
Of those breast related (primarily cosmetic?) surgeries in 17 year old girls, how many chose to have those surgeries to “become” men?
Zero?
One?
Your analogy is shite.
Chopping off your breasts to appease insane parents, or to give in to your own mental instability, is NOT the same as breast augmentation.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 4:32 pm to SOSFAN
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Do you believe gender is tied into biological sex?
With the exception of the obvious (hermaphroditism) the answer is…
Anything else is gender dysphoria.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 4:32 pm to SOSFAN
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Do you believe gender is tied into biological sex?
I'm leaning towards the not tied or perhaps more or less tied for certain people but who has the answer.... Is this settled science that I missing?
Posted on 7/20/23 at 4:35 pm to AggieHank86
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Yes, cosmetic surgery (whether a mammoplasty or some other surgery) shares a NUMBER of characteristics in common with gender transition surgery, just as there are OTHER characteristics that they do not share.
Men share a NUMBER of characteristics with women, just as there are OTHER characteristics that they do not share.
It’s the characteristics that they DO NOT share that are important to the discussion.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 4:37 pm to ThuperThumpin
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I'm leaning towards the not tied
If gender is only a social construct, why is it a social construct? If it’s a social construct, what is gained by society in that construct? What is lost by society in deconstructing it?
Perhaps unrelated, perhaps not: Why is it Marxism that is always interested in deconstruction?
Posted on 7/20/23 at 4:37 pm to SOSFAN
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You don't know if a man can or cannot ever be a woman?
I think a man can idenify as a transwoman. I think we should maintain the distinction between transwomen and women.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 4:40 pm to ThuperThumpin
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leaning towards the not tied or perhaps more or less tied for certain people but who has the answer.... Is this settled science that I missing?
Yet it's called a " gender reveal" and not a " biological sex reveal". And how do they know to use blue or pink for the gender reveal well they base it on the sex. Gender and biological sex have always been tied together until recently when leftist have tried changing the meaning to fit their agenda.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 4:42 pm to ThuperThumpin
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I think we should maintain the distinction between transwomen and women.
So you're saying that a trans woman isn't the same as a real woman? Better question " What is a woman"?
Posted on 7/20/23 at 4:45 pm to the808bass
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gender is only a social construct, why is it a social construct? If it’s a social construct, what is gained by society in that construct? What is lost by society in deconstructing it?
We should first define social construct..idea that has been created and accepted by the people in a society. Would you agree to.thst basic definition
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