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re: FSB Claims US/GB/Ukraine Responsible For Attack

Posted on 3/27/24 at 6:25 pm to
Posted by Prettyboy Floyd
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Posted on 3/27/24 at 6:25 pm to
Posted by Miketheseventh
Member since Dec 2017
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Posted on 3/27/24 at 6:53 pm to
Something is fishy with all this. I don’t know if you have seen how they deal with these situations in the past. They usually shoot on spot (I agree with this philosophy 100%). Why didn’t they shoot them this time
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 3/27/24 at 6:58 pm to
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Obama also met with Brit’s the same week. We know Biden isn’t in charge.



Don’t get too caught up on the characters in the passing parade: Presidents come & go but the Deep State rules in perpetuity.



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We know Biden isn’t in charge.


You certainly will get no argument from me on that point.





Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
53404 posts
Posted on 3/27/24 at 7:00 pm to
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The Nuland/Budanov/Tajik/Crocus Connection

LINK
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 3/27/24 at 7:12 pm to
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Can you really trust anything anyone says


No.

CIA Director William Casey apocryphally is quoted as saying ‘We will know the CIA’s mission is complete when the American people don’t know what to believe….”

Whatever the veracity of that attribution, as these two competing headlines from the “Newspaper Of Record” attest, we long ago have reached that point:




Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 3/27/24 at 7:25 pm to
For all the crybabies who hate Sy Hersh for wearing a tinfoil hat these days, he is parroting the IC party line on this.
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ISIS-K, along with similar terrorist groups operating out of neighboring Tajikistan and Uzbekistan, has been intensely targeted by American intelligence. One involved CIA operative told me that the agency has an asset that Russia lacked during its war in Afghanistan in the 1980s: a capability to monitor signal and communication intelligence from ISIS-K and related terrorist groups. The data is assumed to have come via American gear that was installed on a mountain range in Pakistan.

The now retired agent said that he and others in the intelligence community “truly believe that there is a duty” to warn other nations—even Russia—of impending terrorist attacks. He also recalled the brutality of the extremist groups in the region who often did not kill their enemies immediately but relished putting them through a slow death. “They liked to chop up people, limb by limb, and let them bleed out until they died,” he said. Russians, he told me, are an especially prized target.

Another involved official, with many years of experience, explained that “the number one priority of the American community is tracking all of these ISIS groups—both the leaders and the hit squads. We have superb international cooperation in the effort and openly share data with those countries that are vulnerable, including both Russia and Ukraine. When we have the opportunity—that is, military access—we take them out with our own assets, often without publicity, except when the Delta Force and SEALs beat their chests in competition.” (At this point, he assured me that the various commanders of the involved special forces units put an end to “that nonsense.”)

The official explained that when there is immediate intelligence on a planned terrorist attack and no American forces available, “we alert the vulnerable foreign target with what we know.” The official added that “had ISIS relocated to Ukraine, we would have known it and removed them. They did not do so, and so we did not.” He went on: “For many organizational and cultural reasons Russia simply lacks the capability to do what we can do in this shadow world. We gave them a timely and accurate heads-up, but they were still vulnerable and paid a grisly price.

“The threat to Russia from the Muslim extremists existed long before the USSR collapsed. The Chechnya massacre”—in 1999 Putin ordered the destruction of Grozny, the Chechen capital—“and trouble in Georgia”—two provinces there vainly sought to break away from Russian control in 2008—“are examples of a struggle that will continue. It has nothing to do with Ukraine except that [Putin’s] focus on Ukraine” led him to make a false accusation—a reference to Putin’s continued insistence that Ukraine was involved in ISIS-K’s massacre at the concert.

The prophetic alert released by the US Embassy in Moscow on March 7 explained that the embassy “is monitoring reports that extremists have imminent plans to target large gatherings in Moscow, to include concerts, and U.S. citizens should be advised to avoid large gatherings in the next 48 hours.”

By any standard, the American intelligence was riveting. President Putin chose to ignore the warnings, and in its aftermath he has fixated on what he apparently and wrongly believes was an attack that in some way had been orchestrated or known in advance by the Ukrainian government.

His denial of the reality led him, as an essay in Politico put it, to assume that his relationship with Hamas and stance on Israel’s war in Gaza meant that Russia would not be an ISIS target. He went so far as to ask rhetorically: “Are radical and even terrorist Islamic organizations really interested in striking Russia, which today stands for a fair solution to the escalating Middle East conflict?”

The tragic reality, as the Russian leader continues to insist on Ukraine’s involvement, is that he and his cowed bureaucracy failed his people and their children. In many nations, such a catastrophic mistake would have political consequences.

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This post was edited on 3/27/24 at 7:26 pm
Posted by riverdiver
Summerville SC
Member since May 2022
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Posted on 3/27/24 at 7:49 pm to
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I agree that they wouldn’t leave a paper-trial to this specific attack. Yet it wouldn’t matter anyhow. No smoking gun will be hot enough to convince the UniParty® drones on this board that the United States military is not a force for good in this world.


The bulk of our military IS a force for good in this world.

But…higher level military leadership are hand in hand with our Intelligence Agencies.

I could almost guarantee the CIA has involvement in this.
Posted by Squirrelmeister
Member since Nov 2021
1795 posts
Posted on 3/27/24 at 7:55 pm to
Just because the US Govt and CIA has been funneling drugs, munitions, and money to cartels and Muslim extremist groups and dictators for 70 years including many false flag operations like 9/11 and blowing up Russian pipelines doesn’t mean we did this particular thing this time.
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
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Posted on 3/27/24 at 7:59 pm to
It is neither Ukraine's nor America's style, but I wouldn't put it past Putin to gin up some emotional and political currency. He's done that before.
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 3/27/24 at 8:03 pm to
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Nuland




Posted by riccoar
Arkansas
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 3/27/24 at 8:06 pm to
FSB?
Posted by LSU0358
Member since Jan 2005
7918 posts
Posted on 3/27/24 at 9:11 pm to
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I would be shocked if the FSB DIDN'T blame the west.


That's the only move they have. For FSB leadership taking blame for their failure is a good way to wind up commiting suicide by a fall from a 4th floor or shooting themselves twice in the head.
Posted by TS1926
Alabama
Member since Jan 2020
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Posted on 3/27/24 at 9:47 pm to
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The US is going to pay a bunch of amateurs $5k to kill Russian civilians, and likely get caught? And give up the US? Lol.


Why not? Many Americans still believe the Russians hacked the 2016 pres election, Trump is a Russian asset, covid vaccine prevents the spread of covid, the last election was the most secure in history.
With the Western press fronting for them, they can get away with anything.
Posted by tigerfan 64
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Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 3/27/24 at 10:02 pm to
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I wouldn't be too surprised if the FSB enabled it. That's been Putin's style before.

Just like our own fbi was aware of and NOT monitoring multiple mass shooters in recent US history.
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Member since May 2020
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Posted on 3/28/24 at 6:27 am to
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DUTY TO WARN


Well bless his heart. “Duty” entails a moral obligation.

You can’t ascribe such moral rectitudes to a wholly nihilistic entity like our nation’s national security apparatus. I understand flattering his “sauces” to remain on the gravy train but I’m a little surprised Hersh would cheapen himself in such a manner by regurgitating such mawkish pablum.

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One involved CIA operative told me that the agency has an asset that Russia lacked during its war in Afghanistan in the 1980s: a capability to monitor signal and communication intelligence from ISIS-K and related terrorist groups.


You don’t say?



Posted by texas tortilla
houston
Member since Dec 2015
1830 posts
Posted on 3/28/24 at 7:04 am to
russia is about to rein down on ukraine holy hell. the race is now on to get ukraine that 61 billion before ukraine gets destroyed. LINK /
This post was edited on 3/28/24 at 7:31 am
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