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re: Frenchman dies after 9 days of court-ordered forced starvation

Posted on 7/11/19 at 4:01 pm to
Posted by SSpaniel
Germantown
Member since Feb 2013
29658 posts
Posted on 7/11/19 at 4:01 pm to
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Starvation by far is the most painful and worst way to die.

Back when they did the same thing to Terri Schiavo, we were told it was painless, quite peaceful and almost euphoric.
Posted by DarthRebel
Tier Five is Alive
Member since Feb 2013
21301 posts
Posted on 7/11/19 at 4:06 pm to
2008 : On 29 September 6 , a car accident causes a head trauma that plunges Vincent Lambert into a vegetative coma , from which he will however leave 7 to reach a state of minimal consciousness 8 ("pauci-relational").
2009 : After a stay at the center of awakening of Berck-sur-Mer , Vincent Lambert is transferred to the CHU of Reims 9 .
2011 : Vincent Lambert's first medical expertise at the COMA Science Group in Liège. The expertise notes "a perception of pain and emotions preserved; the voluntary breath test shows a response to the command " 10 . According to the report, "Vincent Lambert is in a pauci-relational state involving the persistence of an emotional perception and the existence of possible reactions to his environment and that, therefore, the artificial diet and hydration had not for the purpose of keeping it artificially alive " 11 .
Since 2011 : Vincent Lambert is immobilized in a minimal state of consciousness, he is not connected to any machine, but can not swallow correctly, he is nourished artificially.
2012 : After returning to the University Hospital of Reims, eighty-seven speech therapy sessions were performed for approximately five months, from April 6 to September 3, 2012, to try to establish a communication code; these sessions failed because of the non-reproducibility of the answers. For the medical team, Vincent does not pretend 10 .
2012 : Despite the failure of speech therapy sessions, health care workers notice behavioral manifestations, which they believe can be interpreted as opposition to toilet care, reflecting a refusal of life. Following these findings and based on his analysis of the absence of favorable neurological evolution of the patient, his doctor initiates the collegial procedure provided for by Article R. 4127-37 of the French Health Code. public 10 .
2013 : On April 10, his doctor concludes with "unreasonable obstinacy" within the meaning of article L.1110-5, and decides to stop the artificial feeding and to decrease the hydration of Vincent Lambert 10 .
2014 : The expert report requested by the Council of State, submitted on May 26, concludes that the clinical condition of Vincent Lambert corresponds to a vegetative state ", with" disorders of swallowing, severe motor impairment of the four limbs, some signs of brainstem dysfunction "and" preserved respiratory autonomy ". The clinical evolution is marked by the disappearance of the fluctuations of the state of consciousness which had been noted during the assessment carried out in July 2011 at the Coma Science Group of the university hospital center of Liège, as well as by the failure of the active therapeutic attempts recommended during this assessment, which suggests "a deterioration of the state of consciousness since that date 10 , 12. The severity of cerebral atrophy and the lesions observed lead, with the delay of five and a half years since the initial accident, to estimate irreversible brain damage. Vincent Lambert may respond to his care and stimulation, but experts indicate that the characteristics of these reactions suggest that they are non-conscious responses and have not considered it possible to interpret these behavioral responses as testifying to a "conscious experience of suffering" or an intention or wish to stop or continue the treatment that keeps him alive 10 .
2018 : On November 22, the experts mandated by the Administrative Court of Châlons-en-Champagne confirm its "chronic irreversible vegetative state". The report also states that his "primary basic needs are not unreasonable or unreasonable obstinacy" and that Vincent Lambert's medical condition "does not call for any emergency measures". It states that "there are structures in France that can accommodate it until its disappearance if the maintenance at the Reims University Hospital is impossible for reasons other than the mere medical technique" 13 . Their conclusions are based on two moments when they examined Vincent Lambert on the evening of September 7 and the next morning with sixteen hours apart.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41779 posts
Posted on 7/11/19 at 4:41 pm to
This is what the "viability" argument is for abortion.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 7/11/19 at 4:45 pm to
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They starved that guy to death. That is fricking sick.

Well, they are French, soo..
Posted by jimdog
columbus, ga
Member since Dec 2012
6636 posts
Posted on 7/11/19 at 4:58 pm to
Why lie if you are truly a Christian? I haven't witnessed any "Deport every illegal" stances. Some may actually deserve to be here and some may be the kind of immigrants that we need with special skills. But they have to do it the right way. Otherwise the problem is obvious. We can't take care of the world, we can only hope to take care of ours and help as our ability allows for others. This nation is our home the same as the place I live in is my home. It has walls for a reason. Security. Same as our nation. If someone comes to my door asking for assistance that I may deliver I will do so. But I cannot provide for mine and take in others. My question to you is how many immigrant families are living off you in your home? None is my guess and that would be true of 99,999. homes of 100,000.

BTW immigrants may die in this country especially after their teenage sons get into the drug trade as many are want to do. Even their families are in danger. Truth is welfare and government assistance are huge draws to undesirable and unsustainable immigration. We cannot take care of ours and the world's. People need to do what my forefathers and parents did. Take what life deals out and out work it. My brothers and I went into the military and fought so we could get an education and a chance. Many of these immigrants want welfare and bring a desire to get into the drug trade through gangs. They need to stay home and work to make a better life for themselves, their families and kids rather than running away. Economically and health wise and security wise we cannot open the orders. Oh we can and quickly import the same exact conditions that these people are running away from. If you believe we should do that take the walls and doors down on your home.
Posted by WildManGoose
Member since Nov 2005
4568 posts
Posted on 7/11/19 at 5:17 pm to
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Well that is one side of the story, how about we hear the other side now.



His continued care was too expensive for the state-run healthcare system and his wife was tired of the burden.
Posted by Bulldogblitz
In my house
Member since Dec 2018
26797 posts
Posted on 7/11/19 at 5:23 pm to
I cannot believe trump killed this man. He is evil to control French courts.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
34378 posts
Posted on 7/11/19 at 5:41 pm to
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Was it tears of fear or relief? 


Maybe both. The issue, as I see it, is the means. I'm not sure how a "human rights" commission can tacitly approve starvation under the guise of medical necessity and still have a shread of integrity. With Scandinavian nations allowing for euthanasia, why not allow him to be moved to that region?
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35471 posts
Posted on 7/11/19 at 5:52 pm to
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Being paralyzed from the neck down and unable to breathe, eat, or speak without computers is not living. I'd rather die than live that life. I understand his parents side, but I;m sure he wasn't "looking" at them and thinking "This is fine. I'm fine. Everything is fine."

He wasn't thinking at all. He was in a vegetative state.
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
War Damn Eagle Dad!
Member since Oct 2010
105449 posts
Posted on 7/11/19 at 6:11 pm to
Yes indeed

Parents keeping him alive for their benefit not their son’s.
Posted by jackamo3300
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2004
2901 posts
Posted on 7/11/19 at 6:44 pm to
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Back when they did the same thing to Terri Schiavo, we were told it was painless, quite peaceful and almost euphoric.


Another instance of an unwary populace being toyed with by the media.

Those beguiling descriptives of what she would go through were from a leftist doctor who the media were finally able to locate.

In fact, he made it sound so pleasant that it seemed almost like something one could anticipate eagerly.

Her family told the court that all they wanted to do was take their daughter home with them and would attend to her needs for the rest of her life.

That gutless Jeb Bush governor made no move to give her sanctuary or tried to help her in any way.

In her family's desperation they appealed to the Black Caucus within the Florida Legislature and they turned their backs on her.

The truth of that state-sponsored torture and death of an innocent is that she died not of starvation as the gullible public was told, but by one of the cruelest of deaths - thirst.

Into the second week it got beyond what anyone should endure.

Her brother who was at her side through just about all of her ordeal said that her last 72 hours were the worst.

She was convulsing so violently that attendants had to give her morphine drips to control her.

And she couldn't cry out because she couldn't speak.

After that doctor with his "euphoria" and such assured us that she would feel no pain.

That half-blind judge who sentenced her to such an end was thrown out of his congregation.

He facilitated an act on a helpless human. which if you did it to an animal you'd spend time in jail.

At the time, in a work setting of just about all liberals, to a person every one of them seemed to be on the edges of their collective seats waiting for her to die.

Asked one of them, "Why does that poor soul have to die?" His answer, "I want her to die because if I were in that state I wouldn't want to go on living."

The curious rationalization/projection of the comfortable leftist.

Obviously types you'd best not ever be in the untenable position of having to depend upon for your existence/survival.












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This post was edited on 8/23/19 at 7:38 pm
Posted by TenWheelsForJesus
Member since Jan 2018
6619 posts
Posted on 7/11/19 at 8:12 pm to
There are countless drugs that can end a life quickly and painlessly, so why would they let him starve over 9 days instead of giving him too much morphine or anesthesia?

This man wouldn't have suffered so much if so many people weren't against euthanasia. You can blame the courts for his death if you want, but his suffering is due to the people that fight to keep euthanasia illegal.

quote:

"It's murder in disguise," Vincent's 90-year-old father, Pierre Lambert, told reporters at the hospital earlier this week. "It's euthanasia."


Is it murder or euthanasia? It can't be both. Putting someone out of their misery doesn't take 9 days, so it seems more like murder. It's definitely torture.
Posted by Tigahs24Seven
Communist USA
Member since Nov 2007
12169 posts
Posted on 7/11/19 at 9:00 pm to
The selfishness of the parents is truly sad....Thank God his wife fought to get him out of his living hell. The man was truly in hell....tube feedings, bed sores, infections...
People who keep people alive for a warm hand to hold are cruel beyond measure.
Posted by SlapahoeTribe
Tiger Nation
Member since Jul 2012
12122 posts
Posted on 7/11/19 at 9:06 pm to
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He was probably pleading... KILL ME NOW!

Even IF this was true, starving him to death is fricking barbaric.
Posted by AUsteriskPride
Albuquerque, NM
Member since Feb 2011
18385 posts
Posted on 7/11/19 at 9:39 pm to
Jesus Christ, what an abomination. Just read he had previously survived 31 days without food and only 500mL of water per day. This guy suffered as an immensely painful death as you will ever read about. He topped a crucifixion by far and I hope the doctors and those in charge of this decision never get a moment of peace.
Posted by AUsteriskPride
Albuquerque, NM
Member since Feb 2011
18385 posts
Posted on 7/11/19 at 9:41 pm to
quote:

The selfishness of the parents is truly sad....Thank God his wife fought to get him out of his living hell. The man was truly in hell....tube feedings, bed sores, infections...
People who keep people alive for a warm hand to hold are cruel beyond measure.


Yeah, so starve and dehydrate the poor guy to death all while he can't move.
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