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re: Fox: Minnesota officer who shot Daunte should have known difference between gun and Taser

Posted on 4/13/21 at 6:13 am to
Posted by thetempleowl
dallas, tx
Member since Jul 2008
15908 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 6:13 am to
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pablum


Well there's a word you don't see every day!

I am embarrassed to say but I don't think I've ever used this word.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
47938 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 6:28 am to
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Root cause analysis rather than individual castigation is the solution.


True dat - HOWEVER - until some sort of action is taken to solve the ROOT PROBLEM any other activity is nothing more than putting more bandaids on ever expanding eruptions from the fatal cancer spreading inside the host.

The root cause of these outrages is the purposeful destruction of the nuclear family concept within the black "community." Almost 3/4 of black children are born into fatherless homes, mostly supported by welfare alone. These communities are propagandized incessantly that it is "white supremacy" and "systemic racism" that is the root cause of their plight and are subtle encouraged to act out their new-found grievances against public order in order to draw attention to their victimhood.

In the end, it appears to me that our continued modifications of normal processes to avoid harming those who are motivated by a concept foreign to our natural concepts of responsible behavior is merely furthering the insane culture that is driving this 'community' toward more decadence and lawlessness.

WHY should we be sympathetic to someone whose entire culture is based on violent resistance to ordinary rule of law?

There is only one force that is keeping this mistaken ideology alive in the black "community" and that is the DEMOCRAT party cabal that is trying to overthrow our constitutional republic. THEY are inciting the riots, and feeding the fuel that sustains them.

Any further adjustments we make to our established order is further chipping away at our own protections while expanding the field of battle for them to exploit.

I actually think we need some period of Marshall Law to quell this crap.

And yes - we should always demand honor, competence, and responsibility from our law enforcement entity from top to bottom. But anything that further hobbles their effectiveness and safety should not be accepted in order to "show we love you." We need a firm parental type structure that demands some degree of personal responsibility.
Posted by roguetiger15
Member since Jan 2013
17333 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 6:29 am to
I was reading somewhere that tasers are usually on the non dominant side of the police officer. Meaning to get to your taser you have to grab across your body to reach it. This is done to minimize situations like this one.
Posted by BobABooey
Parts Unknown
Member since Oct 2004
15916 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 6:32 am to
Will we hear similar things when a pilot for United who has no business being in the cockpit other than their gender or the color of their skin makes a similar “mistake”?
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
Team Bitter Clinger
Member since May 2020
23373 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 6:34 am to
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
Team Bitter Clinger
Member since May 2020
23373 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 6:35 am to
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Ground breaking analysis.
quote:

Cutting edge analysis.


Scintillating analysis.
Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
Undisclosed Secure Location
Member since Feb 2008
23719 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 6:40 am to
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Shouldn’t put cops lives in danger to see how they react. frick around and find out.


Regardless of the perps action there are rules to follow. This cop screwed up and should be punished. If we prosecute this type of mistake on the battlefield we should here at home as well.
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
Team Bitter Clinger
Member since May 2020
23373 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 6:44 am to
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Regardless of the perps action there are rules to follow.


Comply or die.
Posted by 93and99
Dayton , Oh / Allentown , Pa
Member since Dec 2018
14400 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 6:48 am to
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I’m sorry, but a suspect attempting to flee shouldn’t automatically give the police license to execute them. This isn’t Judge Dredd.



Your family needs to be attacked by a criminal.

I am sure your view would change.
This post was edited on 4/13/21 at 7:06 am
Posted by GoT1de
Alabama
Member since Aug 2009
5041 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 6:48 am to
Daunte should have known resisting and attempting to elude police has a risk of danger.
The officer will pay for the rest of her life because of Daunte's "mistake".
Posted by LSUSUPERSTAR
TX
Member since Jan 2005
16837 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 6:59 am to
The officer did screw up and deserves some sort of punishment, but once again the bulk of the blame goes to the criminal. If he didn't try to bolt, he would be alive today. It seems we have a lack of critical thinking into root cause analysis.
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 7:03 am to
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I’m sorry, but a suspect attempting to flee shouldn’t automatically give the police license to execute them. This isn’t Judge Dredd


You are correct.

But would you acknowledge that if you put police in these life or death situations enough times someone is eventually going to screw up and it results in a death?

If people stopped resisting there would basically be zero deaths like this.
Posted by IceTiger
Really hot place
Member since Oct 2007
26584 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 7:07 am to
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just let it be known = "if you resist, we kill you - dead - on the spot - understand


That's how it's always been, if you resist with the potential of violent force, kiss your arse goodbye.

From since I was a child, it has been no different. Dude I grew up with, Guy Wilson FAAFO'd on the red river levee...

Not a word was said, then...exactly the same scenario.
Posted by OccamsStubble
Member since Aug 2019
8843 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 7:09 am to
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What if he would have had a gun in his console? You are totally missing the point. He put their lives in danger and he died.



It seems like you are saying that it was OK to shoot him because he may have had a gun in his console.

No person driving a car has ever been arrested without the possibility of having had a gun in their console, so no person ever arrested should be immune from being shot by the police if resisting in some way.

This seems insane.
Posted by squid_hunt
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2021
11272 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 7:10 am to
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If people stopped resisting there would basically be zero deaths like this.

I agree. But cops are trained to amp up these situations. And when officer safety is the first priority in all cases, that gives a lot of leeway for abuse by cops. The increase in authority should require a corresponding increase in responsibility.
Posted by tigerpawl
Can't get there from here.
Member since Dec 2003
22628 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 7:16 am to
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Minnesota officer who shot Daunte should have known the difference between gun and Taser
How is this not a reasonable statement? Everybody should know the difference between the brake pedal and the accelerator, but stuff happens. It was no less accidental. It was not intentional. You can't always expect Fox to align with your disdain of things in general. They're just stating the obvious, for Christ sake. Settle down.
This post was edited on 4/13/21 at 7:17 am
Posted by weptiger
Georgia
Member since Feb 2007
11596 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 7:18 am to
But for the actions (fleeing) of the perp, this shooting would not have happened. That said, the police officer grabbing her gun versus her taser is a mistake for which their should be punishment.
Posted by IT_Dawg
Georgia
Member since Oct 2012
26286 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 7:18 am to
And this victims family should get paid. Not $27M, but something. This was an accident, not racially motivated. He still resisted arrest and tried to flee. Family should get a couple hundred thousand.
Posted by Jack Bauers HnK
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
6041 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 7:25 am to
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I’m sorry, but a suspect attempting to flee shouldn’t automatically give the police license to execute them. This isn’t Judge Dredd.


This is a such a low IQ take. Police aren’t punishing someone for fleeing, they are defending themselves. There are plenty of videos that show how quickly a subject can grab and fire a gun from inside their car. When someone jumps back into their car, police don’t know if they are fleeing or trying to grab a gun. It’s great if their hesitation ultimately results in no lives lost, but it sucks when that hesitation is the last thing they do in life.

In this case, she would have been better off defending the use of force but for her confusing a gun for a taser.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
47938 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 7:30 am to
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cops are trained to amp up these situations.


WTF?? = That is obscenely not true. What the hell do you base that ridiculous lie on??

quote:

when officer safety is the first priority in all cases, that gives a lot of leeway for abuse by cops.


'scuse me = the officer's safety should be the highest priority - we do not have any suicide squads (at least I hope not - (but I do see a lot of suicidal action taken by large groups of ideologically demented idiots.)

quote:

increase in authority should require a corresponding increase in responsibility.


Well now - that is true - but demonstration of that 'responsibility' should not trail off into abuse of anyone accused of incorrect action.

We have (or had) due process in this country - lately, that due process has been tainted by favoritism toward one side and antipathy toward the other.

This 'murder' trial in Minneapolis is just the latest example of that.
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