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re: Fossil fuel use to zero
Posted on 3/9/22 at 10:25 am to Y.A. Tittle
Posted on 3/9/22 at 10:25 am to Y.A. Tittle
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It seems like you are extrapolating something out of a statement that wasn't there.
Fair.
But since we are already are utilizing the fossil fuels in our country, what does this even mean...?
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Or we could actually utilize the fossil fuels available [in] our country
I read that to mean restricting use of foreign sources. and solely using domestic sources.
Otherwise, just let the market determine where the fuel comes from.
However, limiting energy production to just one fuel source leaves one vulnerable to the vagaries of that particular market. If you spread out your fuel sources over several different markets, your energy supply would be more robust, and less volatile, imo.
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Posted on 3/9/22 at 10:26 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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I wouldn't say that that's the ONLY way to energy independence, but it could. There's nothing morally wrong with zero fossil fuel use, it's just a matter of practicality. I would say that minimizing dependence on fossil fuels would lead to greater energy independence.
Energy has to come from somewhere. There will likely always need to be some resource extracted to generate and/or store energy. Uranium for nuclear, lithium/cobalt/nickel for lithium ion batteries, etc. We have a ton of fossil fuel production domestically, while the opposite holds true for the aforementioned (which are frankly more concentrated in bad countries) so I’m not really sure your statement makes sense other than in a dream world.
Posted on 3/9/22 at 10:30 am to Dawgfanman
quote:Biden wants us all living like "Little House on the Prairie"?
So he wants to go back to before the industrial revolution?
Posted on 3/9/22 at 10:32 am to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:That's great, but how dumb do you have to be to forsake the most reliable source that you have while you search for that unicorn?
only makes sense to keep exploring it.
quote:No, I can't. Because as long as someone is producing it or producing a product to access it, they will make a profit off of it.
Can you imagine a world where electricity is virtually free like air and water?
Posted on 3/9/22 at 10:38 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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Otherwise, just let the market determine where the fuel comes from
How, pray-tell, are we going to do that when the federal government constantly attacks and regulates one sector into oblivion, while using taxpayer dollars to prop the other sector up- even thought the technology isnt close to feasible yet?
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However, limiting energy production to just one fuel source leaves one vulnerable to the vagaries of that particular market. If you spread out your fuel sources over several different markets, your energy supply would be more robust, and less volatile, imo.
Tell that to democrats who say, out loud, that they want to kill fossil, while they stonewall nuclear. The right has certainly never espoused this. Another leftist red herring. Most big utilities are all-in on renewables, nuclear, and fossil.
Posted on 3/9/22 at 10:39 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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I'm not the one proposing telling refineries in the US where they can and can't buy their stock.
How in the world is utilizing the fossil fuels we have and becoming energy independent telling refineries where they can buy their stock?
What is subverting the free market is purposely handcuffing the oil and gas industry to raise prices which is exactly what the Biden administration is doing
This post was edited on 3/9/22 at 10:40 am
Posted on 3/9/22 at 10:41 am to Crimson Wraith
Apparently that idiot does not know that oil is needed in the manufacture of plastic. Just like the plastic cases that batteries are built with in there stupid over priced POS electric cars!!!
Posted on 3/9/22 at 10:42 am to Lou Pai
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Energy has to come from somewhere. There will likely always need to be some resource extracted to generate and/or store energy. Uranium for nuclear, lithium/cobalt/nickel for lithium ion batteries, etc. We have a ton of fossil fuel production domestically, while the opposite holds true for the aforementioned (which are frankly more concentrated in bad countries) so I’m not really sure your statement makes sense other than in a dream world.
On September 27, 1905, during his “miracle year,” Albert Einstein published a paper titled Does the Inertia of a Body Depend Upon Its Energy-Content? In the paper, Einstein described the interchangeable nature of mass and energy, or what came to be known as E=mc^2. This formula led to the development of energy through nuclear fission.
When Spindle Top came in in 1902, what do you think people would've said if you had theorized on one day getting energy from splitting atoms instead of burning oil?
They would've said you were living in a dream world.
That's the thing about technological advancement, it happens in spite of the haters.
But a funny thing about, "energy has to come from somewhere" is that fact that energy is constantly all around us. It may be merely a matter of more efficient harvesting - or not. We just don't know yet.
Posted on 3/9/22 at 10:43 am to Crimson Wraith
quote:wtf
Biden economic advisor Brian Deese: "The only viable path to energy independence" is to reduce fossil fuel use to "zero."
Posted on 3/9/22 at 10:44 am to Crimson Wraith
Brian Deese is as stupid as Biden.
Posted on 3/9/22 at 10:45 am to Crimson Wraith
That is literally impossible unless we plan on taking a massive step back in quality of life
Posted on 3/9/22 at 10:46 am to FredBear
No shite. the free market line got me too.
We are actively regulating fossil right out of business, jacking with permits and leases, brushing them off federal lands, and funding nascent, competing renewables with tax dollars to the tune of trillions.
Get tf out of the way and let it happen. Duke, NRG, Enel, even Entergy ALL have a fossil, nuclear, and renewables sourcing strategies.
We are actively regulating fossil right out of business, jacking with permits and leases, brushing them off federal lands, and funding nascent, competing renewables with tax dollars to the tune of trillions.
Get tf out of the way and let it happen. Duke, NRG, Enel, even Entergy ALL have a fossil, nuclear, and renewables sourcing strategies.
Posted on 3/9/22 at 10:46 am to Crimson Wraith
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"The only viable path to a great country is to reduce Dems to "zero."
FIFY
Posted on 3/9/22 at 10:48 am to Crimson Wraith
After making this announcement he promptly left in his gas-guzzling government-issued SUV. The hypocrisy of these people has no limits.
But do not despair America, for I come to tell you there is hope. Starting in November 2022 we can begin to purge these loony toons from the government. Then in 2024, we can re-elect the only man who has brought us energy independence, a raging economy with full employment, and cheap fuel for our homes and vehicles. All this prosperity AND was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize four times.....FOUR times. That man is Donald J. Trump.
Elections have consequences.
"We have to take care of the Uranians" - Creepy Joe Biden
But do not despair America, for I come to tell you there is hope. Starting in November 2022 we can begin to purge these loony toons from the government. Then in 2024, we can re-elect the only man who has brought us energy independence, a raging economy with full employment, and cheap fuel for our homes and vehicles. All this prosperity AND was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize four times.....FOUR times. That man is Donald J. Trump.
Elections have consequences.
"We have to take care of the Uranians" - Creepy Joe Biden
This post was edited on 3/9/22 at 10:58 am
Posted on 3/9/22 at 10:50 am to Crimson Wraith
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The only viable path to energy independence" is to reduce fossil fuel use to "zero."
How will farmers grow crops? How will goods be shipped? I haven’t seen any electric tractors, container ships, trains, etc
Posted on 3/9/22 at 10:50 am to Crimson Wraith
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Biden economic advisor Brian Deese: "The only viable path to energy independence" is to reduce fossil fuel use to "zero."
Dumbass.
So we stop fossil fuels... OK how does that make us energy independent? Last time I checked most of the materials for batteries are imported. Many imported from countries that are not very friendly to us.
That dip shite wants us to be in the same position as Europe (with its importing of energy from Russia).
I find it hard to believe that these people could be that stupid, so they must be doing this on purpose.
Posted on 3/9/22 at 10:59 am to greygoose
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Biden wants us all living like "Little House on the Prairie"?
Biden wants us living like the Communists
Posted on 3/9/22 at 11:02 am to Vacherie Saint
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the federal government constantly attacks and regulates one sector into oblivion
I've got a link that says that's not the case:
Vanguard Energy Index Fund
Do you have a link to support your position?
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Tell that to democrats who say, out loud, that they want to kill fossil, while they stonewall nuclear. The right has certainly never espoused this. Another leftist red herring. Most big utilities are all-in on renewables, nuclear, and fossil.
I'm a moderate, I don't subscribe to ideologies. Therefore I'm not really interested in the ideological extremes of the two dominant parties in the US. I believe the path forward lies somewhere in the middle. It pretty much always has.
I support a broad base of energy alternatives from hydrocarbons, solar, nuclear to fusion and alternative energy sources not yet developed. Being monolithically dependent on one source leaves your energy production vulnerable to supplies of that single source.
Posted on 3/9/22 at 11:03 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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I'm a moderate
quote:Several have been linked in this thread. They are openly saying they want to kill fossil. Im not interested in playing games with you.
Do you have a link to support your position?
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I support a broad base of energy alternatives from hydrocarbons, solar, nuclear to fusion and alternative energy sources not yet developed. Being monolithically dependent on one source leaves your energy production vulnerable to supplies of that single source.
So does everyone else except for democrats, who again, want to kill fossil.
This post was edited on 3/9/22 at 11:08 am
Posted on 3/9/22 at 11:08 am to FredBear
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How in the world is utilizing the fossil fuels we have and becoming energy independent telling refineries where they can buy their stock?
That implies we can't sell those supplies on the global market while we buy the supplies to generate our energy from foreign sources.
Perhaps I'm not understanding what is meant by, "utilizing the fossil fuels we have" in the context of the fact the we already utilize domestic supply - as well as foreign supply. Is it being proposed that we do things differently, or not? Because it looks to me like people are saying we shouldn't use foreign sources. I'm not sure how to accomplish that outside of telling refineries not to buy foreign sources.
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