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re: Former Pfizer Global Headquarters About to Collapse in Manhattan - UPDATE

Posted on 7/7/26 at 5:11 pm to
Posted by Godfather1
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Posted on 7/7/26 at 5:11 pm to
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True but they rot over time.


Corrosion.

And if the steel is galvanized (as most structural steel is) it takes an extremely long time. If exposed.
This post was edited on 7/7/26 at 5:12 pm
Posted by Godfather1
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Posted on 7/7/26 at 5:13 pm to
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That is going to be on the GC for overloading the existing support columns.


Unless the structural engineer fricked it up. These renovations weren’t being done without a stamped set of prints.
Posted by Ag Zwin
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Posted on 7/7/26 at 5:14 pm to
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Well, something obviously got fricked up. It sounds like it was under-engineered. Who knows if the iron workers union he talked about would have done it better.


No dispute that something was missed.

I just don’t have any faith that some steamfitter was gonna pencil out the stress analysis on his lunch pail.
Posted by Victor R Franko
Member since Dec 2021
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Posted on 7/7/26 at 5:20 pm to
Structural steel is not galvanized.

Edit... is normally not galvanized. I've built a lot of buildings and factories in my 40 year career. Very view places did I ever see galvanized still used for structural members. The only building I can recall is in UPW buildings on trenches and grating at floor grade or below. The structural support steel in these buildings were still not galvanized.
This post was edited on 7/7/26 at 5:27 pm
Posted by Godfather1
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Posted on 7/7/26 at 5:23 pm to
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Structural steel is not galvanized.


Uh, yes it is. At least in industrial applications it usually is.
This post was edited on 7/7/26 at 5:24 pm
Posted by BoarEd
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Posted on 7/7/26 at 5:23 pm to
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I just don’t have any faith that some steamfitter was gonna pencil out the stress analysis on his lunch pail.


Probably not considering that's not what his crew was there to do. They were there doing something about fire protection when they spotted the failures.
Posted by BoarEd
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Posted on 7/7/26 at 5:26 pm to
Here is a livestream. You can see them using drones to assess what's going on with the building.

Posted by Victor R Franko
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Posted on 7/7/26 at 5:28 pm to
This a commercial high rise, not an industrial building in corrosive environments.stay focused.
This post was edited on 7/7/26 at 5:29 pm
Posted by BoarEd
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Posted on 7/7/26 at 5:30 pm to
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This a commercial high rise


With an apparent history of safety issues.
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
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Posted on 7/7/26 at 5:31 pm to
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Edit... is normally not galvanized. I've built a lot of buildings and factories in my 40 year career. Very view places did I ever see galvanized still used for structural members. The only building I can recall is in UPW buildings on trenches and grating at floor grade or below. The structural support steel in these buildings were still not galvanized.


My 30+ year structural design career has been spent working in most petrochem. Which, of course, requires more protection from corrosion. I was speaking of structural steel in more general terms.
Posted by The Hurricane
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Posted on 7/7/26 at 5:31 pm to
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Check for tunnels under the building.

The 7 that goes out to Queens is right beneath the building.
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 7/7/26 at 5:32 pm to
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This a commercial high rise, not an industrial building in corrosive environments.stay focused.


My original post was correcting her assertion that steel rots. Steel doesn’t “rot”. It corrodes.
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
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Posted on 7/7/26 at 5:36 pm to
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Chump change compared to what the phalanx of lawyers who handle the litigation generated by this will earn. In the end, several more bankruptcy lawyers will pick over the bones.


And if any of those bankruptcies result in a divorce and one of the parties needs a discount lawyer then SFP could get some work.
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
89550 posts
Posted on 7/7/26 at 5:40 pm to
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And if any of those bankruptcies result in a divorce and one of the parties needs a discount lawyer then SFP could get some work.


Haven’t seen his autistic arse as much as usual of late. Perhaps that backlog of work he clearly neglects caught up with him.
Posted by BoarEd
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40362 posts
Posted on 7/7/26 at 5:48 pm to
So there are two separate entities responsible for the construction of this project. One is a shell corporation set up specifically for this project called 235 GC LLC. This company has already established a track record for safety violations. Between 7 and 13 building code violations in a single year.

The other is Metro Loft Management (the parent entity). This company has has been sued for 376 million in the past on a similar project. The suit alleged widespread negligence, structural/code violations and construction defects impacting the roof, parapets, and exterior and interior walls. They've also been sued over not paying contractors, tenant class-action suits for improper administrative fee structures and rental classification issues. They have multiple foreclosures and financial defaults.

How can companies like this still be awarded contracts? That's crazy. It sounds likely to me that this is going to fall on the developers.
Posted by MasterDigger
Member since Nov 2019
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Posted on 7/7/26 at 5:50 pm to
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Check for tunnels under the building.







Posted by BoarEd
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Member since Oct 2015
40362 posts
Posted on 7/7/26 at 5:53 pm to
It sounds to me like this is unlikely to be any sort of terrorist plot. This sounds like typical greed. Cutting corners, working too quickly, etc. I would imagine that they were moving too quickly and put too much weight on the upper floors before getting the lower floors reinforced properly. This company has a clear history of stupid shite like this.
Posted by BoarEd
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Posted on 7/7/26 at 6:01 pm to
In the live stream now he is playing a video from someone saying they can see fire. You can occasionally see things falling from the building and a group of police in helmets just showed up on the scenes.
Posted by Swamp Angel
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Posted on 7/7/26 at 6:02 pm to
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Insurance scam playing out in front of our eyes?


Mamdami stated he has plans to use unoccupied building space to house "homeless" at the expense of the building owners, so I wouldn't necessarily jump to the conclusion that this was insurance fraud.
Posted by BoarEd
The Hills
Member since Oct 2015
40362 posts
Posted on 7/7/26 at 6:03 pm to
Right. A little investigating now leads me to suspect shady building practices. Police are now pushing people further away from the building.
This post was edited on 7/7/26 at 6:06 pm
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