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re: For those wanting to live in a post-Christian America, how are you enjoying it

Posted on 4/7/22 at 11:11 am to
Posted by hawkeye007
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 4/7/22 at 11:11 am to
Christian's 40 years ago bitched about the decline of America. It fits the narritive that the world is falling out of favor with God and the rapture is coming. How many rapture sermons have you had to here in your life time?
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 4/7/22 at 11:14 am to
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Bull shite. Reference to a god is only made in the Declaration of Independence, which was aimed primarily at King George who was religious. The Bill of Rights are amendments to the U.S. Constitution, which is our actual law. God is conspicuously absent from same.


I’d prefer to have rights granted to me by creator God that can’t be taken away, than rights which can be taken away by the whims of a tyrannical government.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 4/7/22 at 11:16 am to
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I’d prefer to have rights granted to me by creator God that can’t be taken away, than rights which can be taken away by the whims of a tyrannical government.



Who wouldn't, but that's not how life works.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 4/7/22 at 11:16 am to
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Christian's 40 years ago bitched about the decline of America.


How deep in debt was America 40 years ago as compared to now? Is that alone not need for concern?
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 4/7/22 at 11:18 am to
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You're conflating TWO opposite moral directions or branches of early civilization (and "morality") into one.)

That's simply absurd, they are not "opposite", they share common morality - much of which is spelled out in the Code.
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Babylonian "morality" was anchored in the Serpent while worshiping "the gods" and Lucifer.


Babylonians primarily worshiped Marduk, who presided over, "justice, compassion, healing, regeneration, magic, and fairness". I'm not sure where you're getting this serpent/lucifer worship from. Indeed, it was Marduk that destroyed the serpent and thus gained supremacy over the gods of Babylon.
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The truth and the historical legacy has its roots and account in the Apocrypha as well as Old Testament -- written by Moses as transcribed by God Himself.

The parallels between the Code of Hammurabi and Mosaic Law run deep.

And I'm not sure the distinction you're trying make between Moses doing the writing and God doing the transcribing. Transcribing IS writing.
Posted by hawkeye007
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 4/7/22 at 11:19 am to
and what does that have to do with the bible?
Posted by Liberator
Revelation 20:10-12
Member since Jul 2020
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Posted on 4/7/22 at 11:19 am to
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Is there a context where killing women and children prisoners of war is acceptable?


Without you providing the *actual* context? What have you got?

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Where do you think Hebrews got the idea that non-virgins should be stoned on their wedding night or that old men picking up sticks on the Sabbath should be stoned as well.


Dunno where your getting your "information". Send me a link and I'll wade through the muck and sort it out.

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Would you grant the same leniency to Rome and Romans? Maybe the ones you consider immoral really weren't true Ronans, or Chinese, or Greek, or Persian, or Egyptian.



For exactly what "charge" or case of "breaking the law"?

To repeat -- NOBODY is "moral" truly; Just degrees of it -- as well as *knowing* right-from-wrong and discerning the sinful from righteous.

(BECAUSE we *are* all "sinners" is exactly why a "Savior" (by proxy) is neededfor Heavenly entry. God in the flesh, Jesus Christ, was the only way stench of sin could ever be canceled-out -- and ONLY a man who never sinned could possibly be allowed take on all of our "penalty" for sin on Him and make us "clean" again in the presence of The Father.)

Hopefully, the concept and process is understood.


Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
58393 posts
Posted on 4/7/22 at 11:21 am to
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and what does that have to do with the bible?



Our debt problem is largely caused by greed, covetousness, a desire to have things without working, cheating, lying, stealing, etc. All of these problems are linked directly to sin.
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 4/7/22 at 11:27 am to
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No it's not. It's trying to come to terms with a lot of non-Jews adopting Christianity and fundamentally changing it, which is exactly what I have been talking about.


Christians weren’t even called Christians until Antioch in Acts 11:26. Before that they were considered, especially in Jerusalem (as they met every day in the Temple), as Jewish followers of the way aka Jews who accepted Jesus as the coming Messiah and fulfillment of God’s promises.

Then there was a great persecution of Jesus followers in Jerusalem spurred on by Saul aka Paul that scattered Jewish believers all over the known world.

Those who scattered preached Jesus as the messiah wherever they went thereby laying the very foundation for Paul’s gentile ministry in the future.

Aside: God actually used Paul’s greatest sin as a vehicle to lay the foundation of Paul’s ministry when he was converted.

Paul’s ministry consisted on going to synagogues first, then to Gentiles - because a he stated “the promises and Jesus came to the Jews first and then the Gentiles” (aka both)

If you read Acts, the Jewish followers of Jesus were surprised when Samaritans (because of Phillip) and later Gentiles began to follow Jesus (under Paul and Barnabas). They were perplexed and met on this in Acts 15 deciding how to move forward so the Gentiles and Jews could worship Jesus TOGETHER. That was and continued to be a large concern in the church as James and the Jerusalem church saw Jesus as the Promise and point of Judaism.

Paul continued over and over to address issues that could divide the church with the intent of keeping unity between Jews and Gentiles.

The division didn’t really start until later under an intense Jewish persecution when the Gentiles began betraying their Jewish brothers by giving into Roman authorities letting them know where Jews worshipped and then no longing attending synagogue on sabbath but opting out for Sunday’s to save their own skins and the division grew and grew from there
This post was edited on 4/7/22 at 11:31 am
Posted by MNCTigah
Member since Oct 2011
176 posts
Posted on 4/7/22 at 11:29 am to
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I’d prefer to have rights granted to me by creator God that can’t be taken away, than rights which can be taken away by the whims of a tyrannical government.


I could argue that it's your God that is tyrannical. See: The Bible.
Posted by Liberator
Revelation 20:10-12
Member since Jul 2020
9014 posts
Posted on 4/7/22 at 11:32 am to
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The parallels between the Code of Hammurabi and Mosaic Law run deep.


As does the respective Islam-Judaism parallel as a result of Abraham's real and counterfeit progeny.

The "Morality" timeline and characters CAN be traced as one branch fell away from God and bagn worshiping "gods" (whether Marduk or Moloch) -- while the other stayed true to Abraham's lineage of worshiping THE God.

The Code of Hammurabi and Mosaic Law may "run deep" but never together."Parallels" by their very definition means they ARE close to even great degree at certain junctures. However while being apart everywhere, and NEVER intersecting.

Any "shared morality" was relative. Cain's linage went Babylonian-rogue; Seth's linage became the lineage of Jesus Christ.





Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41866 posts
Posted on 4/7/22 at 11:33 am to
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I could argue that it's your God that is tyrannical. See: The Bible.
A tyrant would strike you dead for insulting him. God gives people time to repent and offers forgiveness.
Posted by Liberator
Revelation 20:10-12
Member since Jul 2020
9014 posts
Posted on 4/7/22 at 11:34 am to
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I could argue that it's your God that is tyrannical. See: The Bible.


(He's your God too.)

So...if God is "tyrannical," which "rights" does He take away from you/man?
Posted by hawkeye007
Member since Feb 2010
5915 posts
Posted on 4/7/22 at 11:36 am to
you just described the problems of every nation since the begining of time.
Posted by m2pro
Member since Nov 2008
28670 posts
Posted on 4/7/22 at 11:44 am to
It's not that simple.

Yes, the miserable people that forced the new America on us are heathens and should be smitten verily.

However, just because the ruling elites are godless fks (like me) doesn't mean that ALL godless fks endorse, approve of, or even remotely appreciate the ramifications of all of their evil plights. I mean all of the above both tongue and cheek and earnestly at the same time.

Your point is such that someone that is athiest could look at any era of religious countries messing everything up and blame religion.

I'm afraid your argument doesn't make sense, such that ANYTHING humans touch turns to shite. It's not just the Christians that get things right. It's fair to say they have plenty history in which God would not* approve.

However, a humble good Christian society is by far and away the best we have managed so far (in my opinion).
This post was edited on 4/7/22 at 11:46 am
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 4/7/22 at 11:45 am to
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The Code of Hammurabi and Mosaic Law may "run deep" but never together...NEVER intersecting.

Wrong.

Leviticus states, "And a man who injures his countryman – as he has done, so it shall be done to him [namely,] fracture under/for fracture, eye under/for eye, tooth under/for tooth. Just as another person has received injury from him, so it will be given to him." (Lev. 24:19–21).

Hammurabi states, "If a man knock out the teeth of his equal, his teeth shall be knocked out."

It's the old lex talionis, or "eye for an eye" rule.

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"Parallels" by their very definition means they ARE close to even great degree at certain junctures. However while being apart everywhere, and NEVER intersecting.

That seems terribly sophomoric. They are "paralleled" in that they are separate languages.
This post was edited on 4/7/22 at 11:55 am
Posted by MNCTigah
Member since Oct 2011
176 posts
Posted on 4/7/22 at 11:45 am to
In Deuteronomy, he commands believers to kill people like me (non-believer). I would think that's a gross violation of the most substantial of all "rights"... lol
Posted by LSUSkip
Central, LA
Member since Jul 2012
17757 posts
Posted on 4/7/22 at 11:46 am to
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atheist


Most of them that I know of, their only issue with Christianity is that they just don't believe in an all-powerful God in the sky. I get it, hard to believe in something you can't understand. Sometimes my synical side questions it too.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 4/7/22 at 11:47 am to
doppel
This post was edited on 4/7/22 at 11:55 am
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
58393 posts
Posted on 4/7/22 at 11:48 am to
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you just described the problems of every nation since the begining of time.


You are making my point. All nations fall and there are stages of decline that preceded that fall. All are results of sin.
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