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re: For those wanting to live in a post-Christian America, how are you enjoying it
Posted on 4/7/22 at 8:43 am to Revelator
Posted on 4/7/22 at 8:43 am to Revelator
One of the things I am finding fascinating about the removal of Christianity is how people have become cult members of the religion of government. They are obsessed. It is like humans require some form of thing to worship and group up over and attack non-believers.
As a life long questioner of a higher power, I far preferred the Christians over this new form of government religion.
As a life long questioner of a higher power, I far preferred the Christians over this new form of government religion.
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Posted on 4/7/22 at 8:44 am to TrueTiger
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There are smart atheist who recognize that modern Christianity is one of the more benign religions and that it generally promotes civilization.
Atheists in the West are the product of a Christian culture. And their values are derived from Christianity.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 8:45 am to Mo Jeaux
yesterday, someone posted a video of a basketball game at a church in georgia. after the game, some of the players attacked a ref and beat him. causing him to have 30 stitches. i would say that is a perfect example of post-christian america. wasn't the ex pastor of that church a pedo?
Posted on 4/7/22 at 8:46 am to Lima Whiskey
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Atheists in the West are the product of a Christian culture.
Dang near all of the Athiests I know went to a uppity Religious Private School growing up.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 8:46 am to theunknownknight
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The fact there are many many many Catholics who live thinking they can get to heaven if they are “good enough” is a testament to that
Fair enough, but I think the distinction needs to be made insomuch as this is not official church teaching. Yes, proper catechesis is the responsibility of the church, but it continues to baffle me when I hear ex-Catholics blame the church for their breathtaking ignorance. Instructors are not responsible for when kids go wool-gathering instead of paying attention in class. The worst are these fundamentalist types who "got saved" and now feel obligated to justify their "decision for Jeeeeeezuz" by running down the faith of their fathers with trash arguments (like the idea that they were taught a "works salvation.")
Posted on 4/7/22 at 8:47 am to lsu13lsu
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One of the things I am finding fascinating about the removal of Christianity is how people have become cult members of the religion of government.
Newsflash - all humans have it built within themselves to have religious ferver directed at something
Sports teams
Religion
Politics
Comic book heroes
Money
Power
Philosophic outlooks on life
Physical fitness
Pyramid schemes
On and on
Posted on 4/7/22 at 8:48 am to Azkiger
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Judeo-Christian values
Christian and Jewish values are two different things.
Consider, thou shalt not kill, vs thou shall not murder.
Judeo-Christian is a Zionist term
This post was edited on 4/7/22 at 8:50 am
Posted on 4/7/22 at 8:50 am to Revelator
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I don’t agree. I think our desire to have more stuff and live a soft life is rooted in a lack of spirituality
Thou shall not want.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 8:51 am to CrimsonJazz
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Fair enough, but I think the distinction needs to be made insomuch as this is not official church teaching.
Official church teachings mean nothing if they’re distorted by the time they reach the people
You just said it yourself: Baptists, Fundamentalists, and Presbyterians have the issue of many of their people believing all they have to do is choose salvation or be chosen for it once and their lifestyle doesn’t matter because “once saved always saved” has been taught instead of “perseverance of the saints”
Posted on 4/7/22 at 8:52 am to Lima Whiskey
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Christian and Jewish values are two different things.
Consider, thou shalt not kill, vs thou shall not murder.
uh what?
I get what you mean by the difference in the Hebrew translation of that verse but….none of that follows
Posted on 4/7/22 at 8:56 am to Jimbeaux
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Stable and prosperous? Who made that claim?
Roman society was extremely stable and prosperous for hundreds of years.
You're not very good at this...
Posted on 4/7/22 at 8:56 am to Azkiger
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Nope, just pointing out that Christian's don't have the market cornered on prosperous and stable societies.
My thread is dealing with America, and our bill of rights is unique in that it’s guarantees us rights that are derived from a creator God.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 8:57 am to theunknownknight
Christian and Jewish culture are two very different thing. It’s everything from attitudes on killing, Christianity is pacifist, to the Christian proscriptions against usury.
Judeo-Christian is like saying Judeo-Islamic. Both are built from the Torah, but there are substantial differences.
Judeo-Christian is like saying Judeo-Islamic. Both are built from the Torah, but there are substantial differences.
This post was edited on 4/7/22 at 8:58 am
Posted on 4/7/22 at 9:04 am to Lima Whiskey
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Christian and Jewish culture are two very different thing. It’s everything from attitudes on killing, Christianity is pacifist, to the Christian proscriptions against usury.
What?
Did you miss the Crusades? Also, your last sentence doesn’t make sense when talking about Christianity as a whole.
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Judeo-Christian is like saying Judeo-Islamic. Both are built from the Torah, but there are substantial differences.
That would be incorrect. I get what you are intending to say but it’s inaccurate. Why?
1. Christians see the Hebrew Bible on the same level as the New Testament cannon wise whereas Muslims see the Quran as superior.
2. The Quran was inspired by both the Hebrew Bible AND the New Testament (evident in the writings and knowing Muhammad’s history). Meaning it is another level removed from the Jewish faith
This post was edited on 4/7/22 at 9:06 am
Posted on 4/7/22 at 9:13 am to Azkiger
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You're not very good at this...
I’m not good at reading your mind, but my best guess is that you think Roman society is a template for a good life.
So, you’re good with wars of conquest? Mass slavery? Massive amounts of torture as punishment or simply for sport? Widows and unwanted children literally left to die in the street? Use of young boys as sex slaves? And on and on I could go.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 9:20 am to Tigers2010a
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Thou shall not want.
Thou shall not covet
Posted on 4/7/22 at 9:22 am to Revelator
He’s quoting the second half of Psalm 23:1
Which, in Hebrew, actually means, you shall not be in want
Which, in Hebrew, actually means, you shall not be in want
Posted on 4/7/22 at 9:28 am to theunknownknight
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American Christianity has been a joke for decades
Mega church ME ME ME
easy believism - sign a card to be saved passer bys...
Exactly the case. The watered-down version of "Christianity" has become a sad joke and many of its Church policies along with its Pastors, Reverends and Priests, heretical.
These bogus strains and just as narcissistic and materialistic as the secular world. The Bible doesn't dance around it; its warns: "NARROW IS THE PATH."
Time spent in faith and worship of our Lord should NOT be considered a "sentence" or as some kind of accrued Heavenly "credit" system based on "time spent in church confinement." Yet, that's how many of us have looked at attendance and fellowship (especially when a football game was on at the same time -- admit it, baws.
) Posted on 4/7/22 at 9:29 am to Revelator
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My thread is dealing with America, and our bill of rights is unique in that it’s guarantees us rights that are derived from a creator God.
"The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."
- Atricle 11, Treaty of Tripoli, unanimously approved of by the US Senate one generation post-American Revolution.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 9:33 am to Azkiger
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A large chunk of the secular community are against a lot of the social changes occurring.
This is more of America suffering because it's a victim of it's own prosperity than anything spiritual. Think of the poem "strong people create good times..."
There's truth here^^^^ but we Christians would say this country was divinely established and the prosperity generations of Americans enjoyed is the result of a nation that acknowledged the Creator's blessings. Is it a coincidence the more Americans embrace agnosticism, atheism, secularism, paired with Meism the degradation of society increases and the prosperity of the nation plummets?
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