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re: For those wanting to live in a post-Christian America, how are you enjoying it
Posted on 4/7/22 at 8:08 am to Azkiger
Posted on 4/7/22 at 8:08 am to Azkiger
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No, just pointing out the suggestion that only Christian values can create a stable and prosperous county is completely ignorant of history.
No. Communist do a good job of controlling their citizens behaviors. At least publicly
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Posted on 4/7/22 at 8:09 am to theunknownknight
quote:or the 'chosen frozen' Presbyterians who depend on a decision from a considerably longer time ago...
Just like there are many many many Baptists who are going to happily live self-deceived thinking they are going to heaven because they made a “decision” when they were 12 and nothing else
This post was edited on 4/7/22 at 8:37 am
Posted on 4/7/22 at 8:11 am to Y.A. Tittle
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Seems perhaps that “suggestion” was only seen through whatever lens you were looking through.
If we can abandon Judeo-Christian values and still be prosperous and stable, why is the OP lamenting life in a "post-Christian America"?
Posted on 4/7/22 at 8:13 am to Azkiger
Why would you want to abandon what made YOUR SOCIETY prosperous?
Posted on 4/7/22 at 8:13 am to Azkiger
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Judeo-Christian
Such a funny term.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 8:14 am to Revelator
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No. Communist do a good job of controlling their citizens behaviors. At least publicly
I'm referencing civilizations that not only predate Communism, but also Christianity.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 8:14 am to Mo Jeaux
Like your mom.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 8:16 am to Azkiger
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If we can abandon Judeo-Christian values and still be prosperous and stable, why is the OP lamenting life in a "post-Christian America"?
Do you remotely think America can continue on its current track for long before it completely derails?
Posted on 4/7/22 at 8:20 am to Revelator
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Do you remotely think America can continue on its current track for long before it completely derails?
Nope, just pointing out that Christian's don't have the market cornered on prosperous and stable societies.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 8:20 am to the808bass
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Like your mom.
Hey oh! Bazing! Coming in hot this morning. The boys in the coffee break room better look out. There won’t be too many hospital admin reports coming from 808 today!
Posted on 4/7/22 at 8:21 am to Mo Jeaux
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Hey oh! Bazing! Coming in hot this morning. The boys in the coffee break room better look out. There won’t be too many hospital admin reports coming from 808 today!
Considering the tone and tenor of this thread, a "like your two moms" would have gotten a chuckle from me though.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 8:23 am to Mo Jeaux
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Such a funny term.
Why is Judeo-Christian a funny term?
Posted on 4/7/22 at 8:25 am to Azkiger
In all seriousness, I do find the term to be odd. It was barely used before the mid-20th century. What is a "Judeo-Christian"?
Posted on 4/7/22 at 8:26 am to theunknownknight
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Why is Judeo-Christian a funny term?
See my prior post. You have almost 1,930 years of Christian history before the term was used in any real measurable amount. What does it mean?
Posted on 4/7/22 at 8:29 am to Mo Jeaux
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In all seriousness, I do find the term to be odd. It was barely used before the mid-20th century. What is a "Judeo-Christian"?
Well technically all Christians were meant to be “judeo” if you take the prophesies of the Hebrew Bible seriously. We were grafted IN to the promises, not pruned OUT.
With that said, the term implies a shared basis for societal morality and expectations founded on biblical case law.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 8:35 am to Azkiger
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No, just pointing out the suggestion that only Christian values can create a stable and prosperous county is completely ignorant of history.
Stable and prosperous? Who made that claim?
Roman society was extremely stable and prosperous for hundreds of years. They also were less moral than Nazi Germany.
We are talking about exemplars of value systems as underpinnings for society. The fact that you are suggesting that atheists equate the highest moral value as a stable and prosperous political regime is telling.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 8:36 am to theunknownknight
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I’m not attacking every single Christian - I am attacking the incorrect ideas that flow from each major branch - and I am in one of them
I get what you're saying, but what is wrong with simply being a Christian. No more, no less. Not Catholic, not Baptist, not Methodist, not Presbyterian, etc... The apostle Paul even asks the question: "Was Christ divided?"
Christ is not divided, and on the day of Pentecost in or around AD 33, ONE church was founded in JERUSALEM. A singular church, the bride of Christ, and not a Roman Catholic church, nor any of the many protestant denominations we have all seen for centuries. No man-made creeds add anything worthwhile to the purity of the church as it was founded.
There is only ONE head of the church. That is Christ. Not some man appointed by a bunch of other men to oversee a corporate church with a singular headquarters located some place upon this earth.
But, back to the point of the OP, since Christianity as a whole, even with its faults in doctrinal particulars, has been derided, ridiculed, shunned, and abandoned, our nation has indeed found itself reaping what it has sown. If God allowed his own Chosen People to be taken into captivity when they turned from Him, why should we think that He would continue to show our nation favoritism with the way we have been acting for almost the entirety of the time most of us here have been alive?
Posted on 4/7/22 at 8:41 am to Revelator
“If men will not be governed by the Ten Commandments, they shall be governed by the ten thousand commandments”
Posted on 4/7/22 at 8:41 am to theunknownknight
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Well technically all Christians were meant to be “judeo” if you take the prophesies of the Hebrew Bible seriously. We were grafted IN to the promises, not pruned OUT.
With that said, the term implies a shared basis for societal morality and expectations founded on biblical case law.
I guess I understand this premise, but I don't think it really works from a historical perspective. There was nothing "Judeo" about Christian Western Civilization, and very little "Judeo" about Christianity post-Paul.
Anyway, not trying to start a debate per se, it's just something I find interesting.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 8:42 am to Swamp Angel
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but what is wrong with simply being a Christian. No more, no less.
Nothing.
Unless you are implying you can be an obedient Christian without joining a local community of believers in some fashion.
If you are stating that, you’d be way off. Aside from the fact we are commanded to come together as an assembly, take note that virtually every YOU in the letters to the churches (and almost all in Jesus’ teachings) is plural, meaning most of the promises and teaches we claim are directed at assemblies.
There is no such thing as a healthy Christian who chooses to separate themselves from other healthy Christians in the name of individualism.
This post was edited on 4/7/22 at 10:12 am
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