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re: For those asking for one good thing Trump did.....
Posted on 7/3/23 at 10:15 am to keakar
Posted on 7/3/23 at 10:15 am to keakar
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quote:For those asking for one good thing Trump did the question alone, identifies them as an ignorant buffoon, a person incapable of, or not honest enough, for having an intelligent conversation with
EXACTLY what I was going to post!!!
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Posted on 7/3/23 at 10:16 am to Fat Bastard
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these clowns are clearly are oblivious to it
All I want is trade policy that doesn't result in huge farmer bailouts. I don't like bailouts. I suppose you do.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 10:16 am to Gifman
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quote:IB A CHINAMAN Don't speak his name.
That boring arse loser shows up if you do.
I think Chinaman is letting the current wave of Desantians carry the weight bashing Trump. I expect Chinaman to come off the bench late summer early fall to do his best to bring home a Desantis victory.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 10:20 am to Bass Tiger
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I think Chinaman is letting the current wave of Desantians carry the weight bashing Trump. I expect Chinaman to come off the bench late summer early fall to do his best to bring home a Desantis victory.
great point
Posted on 7/3/23 at 10:22 am to Damone
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That probably is the one good thing he did. Not sure where it came from, because he doesn't seem like the kind of guy to actually get the big picture of what the country needs. Maybe it was a Bannon policy that he forgot about?
Trump talked about it often, it was part of MAGA! As far as not seeing the big picture.... his lifetime of business deals and his 2.5 billion dollar worth disagree with you!
Posted on 7/3/23 at 10:30 am to lake chuck fan
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For those asking for one good thing Trump did.....
I stopped answering them.
Some people see.
Some people see when shown.
Some refuse to see, even when shown.
The vehemently anti-Trump camp generally is the latter.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 10:32 am to frogtown
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. I am saying that the taxpayers subsidized the farmers, which is true.
And I'm saying the money from the tariffs paid them.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 10:33 am to Fat Bastard
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tariffs did not affect me one iota. even wilbur ross said it COULD raise some goods a few pennies. I did not even see that. not in my wallet.
People refuse to read the link in the OP but it provides and explanation why. The TL/DR version is China responded to the Trump tariffs on steel and aluminum with currency manipulation which in turn lowered the prices on ALL imported goods from China. So in a way China did pay for the tariffs from a net net perspective by forcing them to respond with currency manipulation.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 10:34 am to Jjdoc
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And I'm saying the money from the tariffs paid them.
Provide evidence that the tariff money was earmarked for the subsidies, how much money was made from the tariffs, and if it equals or surpasses the amount paid in subsidies.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 10:34 am to Jjdoc
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And I'm saying the money from the tariffs paid them.
That is right.
The tariffs were paid by the American consumer. So the American consumers paid for the farmer bailout.
Good to see we agree.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 10:37 am to lake chuck fan
You’re arguing with Damone. He is a far left wacko. He isn’t arguing in good faith.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 10:41 am to frogtown
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Just want to make sure you realize that China isn't paying these tariffs
That's not really true. The reason the US citizen did not see increases:
- Dealing with other nations for like products that we could actually trade with.
- As the CFR reported: Chinese suppliers do shoulder some of the cost of U.S. tariffs in indirect ways. Exporters sometimes, for instance, are forced to offer U.S. importers a discount to help defray the costs of higher U.S. duties. Chinese companies might also lose business if U.S. importers find another tariff-free source of the same goods outside China.
- U.S.-based importers are managing the higher tax burden in a number of ways. One was to lower margins.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 10:45 am to frogtown
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I would like trade policy that doesn't result in having to do farmer bailouts.
And I would like trade that is free. But that's not reality.
I would like trade that does not enrich an enemy nation at the cost of american jobs.
That's not where we are.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 10:48 am to GumboPot
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People refuse to read the link in the OP but it provides and explanation why. The TL/DR version is China responded to the Trump tariffs on steel and aluminum with currency manipulation which in turn lowered the prices on ALL imported goods from China. So in a way China did pay for the tariffs from a net net perspective by forcing them to respond with currency manipulation.
Yep.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 10:50 am to frogtown
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That is right.
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The tariffs were paid by the American consumer. So the American consumers paid for the farmer bailout.
Not right. I realize that this response is before my post on who paid what.
It's being pointed out to you why the American people never saw an increase.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 10:50 am to Jjdoc
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That's not really true. The reason the US citizen did not see increases:
Yes it is reality. I have not seen a study that says there was no increases to consumers.
You have to have a lot of "what ifs" and "maybes" to make a $52.6 billion tax increase go away.
"The Trump administration imposed nearly $80 billion worth of new taxes on Americans by levying tariffs on thousands of products, which is equivalent to one of the largest tax increases in decades. Based on 2021 import levels and country exemptions, the tariffs amounted to a $52.6 billion tax increase in 2021."
Posted on 7/3/23 at 10:53 am to Jjdoc
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It's being pointed out to you why the American people never saw an increase.
So what you’re saying is the reason behind the tariffs didn’t work….
Posted on 7/3/23 at 10:55 am to lake chuck fan
He delayed the downfall four years.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 11:01 am to keakar
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the question alone, identifies them as an ignorant buffoon, a person incapable of, or not honest enough, for having an intelligent conversation with
I actually agree with this. There were a few times over four years Trump did something that didn’t further plunge the country down the toilet. No one is 100 percent bad. My lib friends would get mad when I’d argue for a decision he made that I agreed with. I’ll never understand how someone can look at the world through such black and white lenses, but that’s a liberal for you.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 11:01 am to frogtown
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Yes it is reality. I have not seen a study that says there was no increases to consumers.
Because you have not bothered to look perhaps.
Let's take steel. After the steel tariffs were imposed in March 2018, price indexes increased by 10.2 percent to 17.7 percent between February and September of 2018. That increase was less than the 25 percent tariffs themselves. And markets quickly adjusted, with domestic steel prices retreating to below pre-tariff levels within the following year.
Aluminum tariffs imposed in 2018 have yielded at least 55 new projects in downstream aluminum industries, and will employ 4,500 additional workers while generating $6 billion in new investments. Similar results have been observed in the U.S. steel industry following the tariffs.
Essentially, the tariffs have helped numerous domestic industries rebuild and recover from unfair trade.
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You have to have a lot of "what ifs" and "maybes" to make a $52.6 billion tax increase go away.
I didn't list a lot of maybe and what ifs. I listed what happened.
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"The Trump administration imposed nearly $80 billion worth of new taxes on Americans by levying tariffs on thousands of products, which is equivalent to one of the largest tax increases in decades. Based on 2021 import levels and country exemptions, the tariffs amounted to a $52.6 billion tax increase in 2021.
You have posted this many times. Posting it again doesn;t change it. Trump was not President in 2021.
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