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re: For the morons on here that claim the House's role in impeachment is akin to a grand jury
Posted on 10/24/19 at 3:50 pm to TigerDoc
Posted on 10/24/19 at 3:50 pm to TigerDoc
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don't think they're violating anything.
What a shock!
Which is why precedence plays such a huge role in Washington. That has been set and when it is it should be followed as such and expected for either side to do so. Just like going nuclear but the Dems in the arse, this will too.
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Posted on 10/24/19 at 3:52 pm to mmcgrath
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We aren't in the "grand jury" phase yet.
And most likely will never be. Getting to a "grand jury like phase" is not the goal of this dog and pony show. The goal of this cluster frick is to create an illusion that Trump is doing evil but the house can't move forward because, well Orange Man Bad.
Posted on 10/24/19 at 3:56 pm to TBoy
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If they are correct, then it DOES pass muster.
There was a plethora of items proved right about your knuckle dragger Obama......nothing done about it......nothing.
Posted on 10/24/19 at 4:00 pm to TigerDoc
Get that from one of your DU friends?
Posted on 10/24/19 at 4:03 pm to udtiger
quote:But at this point is the process, it’s extremely similar to the Benghazi investigation, where basically all of the over 100 witness interviews (save for Hillary’s) were held in closed-door meetings by the investigating committees.
The President of the United States is a citizen of the United States and is entitled to all of the due process rights afforded under the Constitution
The whole grand jury comparison is imperfect, but it’s actually more of a combination of an initial investigation (where they’re at now) AND then a grand jury proceeding (filing and voting on articles of impeachment).
What we’re witnessing though in public at least, is not anything like a legal proceeding:
it’s just pure political theater from Schiff to Gaetz, like they’re competing on Whose Line is it Anyways
Posted on 10/24/19 at 4:11 pm to buckeye_vol
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But at this point is the process, it’s extremely similar to the Benghazi investigation, where basically all of the over 100 witness interviews (save for Hillary’s) were held in closed-door meetings by the investigating committees
They were closed door because they were dealing with classified information and testimony.
Schiff has specifically stated on multiple occasions no classified matters are being addressed.
Posted on 10/24/19 at 4:13 pm to buckeye_vol
Benghazi is another good example.
Here's another - Based Lindsey was house manager of the Clinton impeachment process running these closed door interviews.
And here he is sponsoring a resolution to condemn the "closed-door impeachment process".
senate.gov
Here's another - Based Lindsey was house manager of the Clinton impeachment process running these closed door interviews.
And here he is sponsoring a resolution to condemn the "closed-door impeachment process".
senate.gov
This post was edited on 10/24/19 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 10/24/19 at 4:19 pm to TigerDoc
Perhaps Graham's was an effort to protect the privacy of the young lady given the subject matter?
This post was edited on 10/24/19 at 4:22 pm
Posted on 10/24/19 at 4:34 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
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analogy does not mean exact replica.
When people make the statement it is ANALOGOUS to...not EXACTLY THE SAME.
Agreed to some extent but the nuance here is that those who claim it is like a grand jury better have a pretty strong resemblance to the real thing. As it is now they want to operate under the flag of the "grand jury" for the benefits and protections without the drawbacks. Can't cherry pick the term like that.
Posted on 10/24/19 at 4:35 pm to TigerDoc
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And here he is sponsoring a resolution to condemn the "closed-door impeachment process".
Can you tell me whether this closed door process was first initiated by House resolution referring it to the committee and whether other members of congress were restricted from review of testimony?
This post was edited on 10/24/19 at 4:36 pm
Posted on 10/24/19 at 4:37 pm to buckeye_vol
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But at this point is the process, it’s extremely similar to the Benghazi investigation, where basically all of the over 100 witness interviews (save for Hillary’s) were held in closed-door meetings by the investigating committees.
In this case there was classified information in the mix. Schiff each day has to say there is nothing classified being shared in these hearings thus no reason to keep them private. Furthermore there are Constitutional prescriptions as well as precedence for Impeachment procedures.
Posted on 10/24/19 at 4:53 pm to Mid Iowa Tiger
quote:We will be there in a few weeks. Maybe as little as 2.
And most likely will never be. Getting to a "grand jury like phase" is not the goal of this dog and pony show. The goal of this cluster frick is to create an illusion that Trump is doing evil but the house can't move forward because, well Orange Man Bad.
Most of the evidence is public record and not being contested. The last couple of testimonies have tied things together.
Posted on 10/24/19 at 4:58 pm to mmcgrath
I for one would take the two national championships, because even if they get to impeachment, he isn’t going to be removed from office.
Posted on 10/24/19 at 5:01 pm to mmcgrath
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We will be there in a few weeks. Maybe as little as 2.
Most of the evidence is public record and not being contested. The last couple of testimonies have tied things together.
"We" will never be there. There is no "there" there. Trump did nothing wrong nor illegal let alone impeachable in his interactions with the Ukraine.
How do you have nay idea what "the last couple of testimonies" have tied together? Are you seeing the complete transcripts when members of congress are not allowed to?
Posted on 10/24/19 at 5:04 pm to mmcgrath
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Most of the evidence is public record and not being contested. The last couple of testimonies have tied things together.
Could you send me a link to the transcripts? All I've got is some lousy drafted opening statements that were coordinated with Schiff and some Never Trumper attorneys leaked from the SCIF.
Posted on 10/24/19 at 5:32 pm to udtiger
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due process rights
Due process is a right for proceedings through the typical judicial system. An impeachment procedure is not typical and is not subject to the judicial system. And as BHP said, it's an analogy. The House is "like" a grand jury in that impeachment is "like" a GJ indictment. That's it. It's a leveling of charges.
Posted on 10/24/19 at 5:49 pm to WildManGoose
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Due process is a right for proceedings through the typical judicial system. An impeachment procedure is not typical and is not subject to the judicial system.
Can an individual testifying in front of the Intel Committee not "plead the Fifth"? Not rhetorical, serious question. If yes, then that's a due process right and I don't see how the other due process rights wouldn't apply throughout.
Posted on 10/24/19 at 5:50 pm to udtiger
The drama being played out is not related to a Grand Jury, nor to an actual Impeachment inquiry. What is being orchestrated is a grand media show that keeps the public on edge by revealing a few titillating details of supposed evidence of wrongdoing by our President. The whole purpose of this dog and pony show is to influence the minds of the low information voters who rely on the MSM for everything that they know about the world around them. The constant release of a few "leaked" tidbits is to maintain their interest and to encourage them to discuss these tidbits with their friends and neighbors.
I find that it is working, especially with the unemployed and elderly people who spend their time watching game shows and anti Trump news reports. Some who were originally conservative supporters of our President are now complaining about what a horrible person he is, so dishonest, a racist, and constantly lying to the people.
The Leftists are not planning on Impeachment, they are playing the long game for the minds and votes of those who trust the media.
I find that it is working, especially with the unemployed and elderly people who spend their time watching game shows and anti Trump news reports. Some who were originally conservative supporters of our President are now complaining about what a horrible person he is, so dishonest, a racist, and constantly lying to the people.
The Leftists are not planning on Impeachment, they are playing the long game for the minds and votes of those who trust the media.
This post was edited on 10/24/19 at 5:53 pm
Posted on 10/24/19 at 5:57 pm to TBoy
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If they are correct, then it DOES pass muster.
First of all, it doesn't.
If it does, then who is going to jail for leaking this shite?
That is how grand juries work dumbshit. Blather your way out of that one
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