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re: For Anybody Here Who Thinks the ICE Agent Acted Wrongly, Tell Me What He Should've Done

Posted on 1/9/26 at 7:12 pm to
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
13464 posts
Posted on 1/9/26 at 7:12 pm to
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So you can legally kill someone for trying to get away ???


You can shoot them if they are directly endangering yourself and/or others.

Which she was.
This post was edited on 1/9/26 at 7:13 pm
Posted by SOSFAN
Blythewood
Member since Jun 2018
15807 posts
Posted on 1/9/26 at 7:12 pm to
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Either of us would leave you quivering in a puddle of your own urine, were we to debate in a neutral forum.


LMAO. I, personally, have made you tuck your tail and run to new threads numerous times. Your perceived intelligence is on the opposite side of the scale from your actual intelligence.


Remember the time you tried telling a black poster how to be black because you once lived in a neighborhood that had black people...good times hank
This post was edited on 1/9/26 at 7:14 pm
Posted by Willie Stroker
Member since Sep 2008
16645 posts
Posted on 1/9/26 at 7:13 pm to
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After she was shot, I suspect she reflexively hit the gas pedal and steered off to the left, then hitting the parked cars.

She floored it enough to make the front tire spin on the ice as the officer was still in front of her vehicle. That was the moment he drew his weapon and shot her as she struck him with her vehicle.
Posted by RelentlessAnalysis
AggieHank Alter
Member since Oct 2025
2968 posts
Posted on 1/9/26 at 7:14 pm to
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the objective facts are (a) that we can debate the propriety of that first shot, but (b) that second and third shot left his weapon well after he was in ZERO danger of being hit by Good's vehicle.
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His police training was to end the threat.

I submit that you do not understand "police training" any better than the 1001 other topics on which you have been utterly wrong on this forum.

Police are trained to keep firing AS LONG AS THE SUSPECT IS STILL A THREAT.

A woman driving away from the office is no longer a threat, such that this "training" is no longer applicable.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
13464 posts
Posted on 1/9/26 at 7:15 pm to
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And the objective facts are (a) that we can debate the propriety of that first shot, but (b) that second and third shot left his weapon well after he was in ZERO danger of being hit by Good's vehicle.


What about bystanders or other officers?
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
13464 posts
Posted on 1/9/26 at 7:16 pm to
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A woman driving away from the office is no longer a threat


To THAT officer.

But what about other officers or bystanders?
Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
Member since Apr 2015
33491 posts
Posted on 1/9/26 at 7:18 pm to
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A woman driving away from the office is no longer a threat, such that this "training" is no longer applicable.


And you are fricking wrong as always

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"We think our decision in Brosseau v. Haugen, 543 U. S. 194 (2004) (per curiam) squarely demonstrates that no clearly established law precluded petitioners’ conduct at the time in question. In Brosseau, we held that a police officer did not violate clearly established law when she fired at a fleeing vehicle to prevent possible harm to “other officers on foot who [she] believed were in the immediate area, . . . occupied vehicles in [the driver’s] path[,] and . . . any other citizens who might be in the area.... In Brosseau, an officer on foot fired at a driver who had just begun to flee and who had not yet driven his car in a dangerous manner...."

"We now consider respondent’s contention that, even if the use of deadly force was permissible, petitioners acted unreasonably in firing a total of 15 shots. We reject that argument. It stands to reason that, if police officers are justified in firing at a suspect in order to end a severe threat to public safety, the officers need not stop shooting until the threat has ended. As petitioners noted below, “if lethal force is justified, officers are taught to keep shooting until the threat is over.

9-0 decision in Plumhoff v. Rickard, 2014.


He fired until the threat was over
Posted by SOSFAN
Blythewood
Member since Jun 2018
15807 posts
Posted on 1/9/26 at 7:19 pm to
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I submit that you do not understand "police training" any better than the 1001 other topics


I submit you're Pedohank using yet another alter. I've proved you wrong so many times I feel like I'm taking candy from a child.

Once she tried hitting him it was his training to end the threat. You act like he waited until she was down the block. All the shots were legally justified. I'm sorry your fake attorney arse doesn't understand that.
Posted by RelentlessAnalysis
AggieHank Alter
Member since Oct 2025
2968 posts
Posted on 1/9/26 at 7:19 pm to
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quote:

A woman driving away from the office is no longer a threat
To THAT officer.

But what about other officers or bystanders?
SPECIFICALLY, what other officer was in danger if Good drove away?

SPECIFICALLY, what "bystander" was in danger, if Good drove away?

Again, no crazy hypotheticals about green space aliens and disintegrator rays. SPECIFICS.
Posted by LSUbest
Coastal Plain
Member since Aug 2007
16396 posts
Posted on 1/9/26 at 7:20 pm to
I figured you'd be busy torturing small animals or molesting big ones on a Friday night Hank.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
13464 posts
Posted on 1/9/26 at 7:21 pm to
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In Brosseau, we held that a police officer did not violate clearly established law when she fired at a fleeing vehicle to prevent possible harm to “other officers on foot who [she] believed were in the immediate area


Ed Zachery.

Look, I'm not saying I'm right. I've told my lawyer friends consistently that I couldn't do what they do because the way lawyers and judges think seems to fly in the face of common sense quite often to me...I can't think that way.

So I'm not claiming I know what the court will say.

But it does seem to me that the one officer who was struck by the vehicle shouldn't be the lone consideration.
Posted by SOSFAN
Blythewood
Member since Jun 2018
15807 posts
Posted on 1/9/26 at 7:22 pm to
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I assure you that I have never "walked away" from a discussion with you for any reason other than the fact that your stupidity had ceased to be entertaining.


Ok mods this should be enough for you to see that banned Pedohank is using another alter. Time to clip his wings.

Hank, you have ran from me in numerous threads where I called you out. Your self ego doesn't allow you to admit that you drew the short straw when it comes to intelligence and debate ability.

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It stands to reason that, if police officers are justified in firing at a suspect in order to end a severe threat to public safety, the officers need not stop shooting until the threat has ended. As petitioners noted below, “if lethal force is justified, officers are taught to keep shooting until the threat is over.”


What part of that do you not understand. No need to answer as anything you say will be asinine.
This post was edited on 1/9/26 at 7:25 pm
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
13464 posts
Posted on 1/9/26 at 7:22 pm to
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SPECIFICALLY, what other officer was in danger if Good drove away?

SPECIFICALLY, what "bystander" was in danger, if Good drove away?


Does the officer who just survived almost being run down by a car have to be able to articulate that in the heat of that moment, or is the reasonable probability that others would likely be in danger enough?

It seems to me that it would, and the court case someone posted above seems to agree.

Also, don't yell at me, please. I'm just asking.
This post was edited on 1/9/26 at 7:24 pm
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
44255 posts
Posted on 1/9/26 at 7:22 pm to
She saw him.

She hit the gas.

The victim responded by firing his weapon in self defense.

Why do you support violent leftists?

Is it because you count her under your alphabet tent?
Posted by RelentlessAnalysis
AggieHank Alter
Member since Oct 2025
2968 posts
Posted on 1/9/26 at 7:24 pm to
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Plumhoff v. Rickard, 2014.
Rickard had led officers on a dangerous, multi-mile, high-speed chase. He was cornered in a parking lot and was shot as he was attempting to escape the parking lot and re-initiate the high-speed chase.

Ms. Goode was sitting still on a city street and maybe blowing a whistle.

I assure you that the Rickard case is not controlling here.
Posted by soonerinlOUisiana
South of I-10
Member since Aug 2012
2045 posts
Posted on 1/9/26 at 7:24 pm to
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Probably shoot her tires out


^ thinks a suppressor actually silences a firearm.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
13464 posts
Posted on 1/9/26 at 7:25 pm to
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Ok mods this should be enough for you to see that banned Pedohank is using another alter. Time to clip his wings.


Don't be a tattletale.

This board is monolithic enough without trying to get a dissenting voice thrown off. Hank's not doing anything but disagreeing.

Surely you're not afraid of that.
Posted by RelentlessAnalysis
AggieHank Alter
Member since Oct 2025
2968 posts
Posted on 1/9/26 at 7:26 pm to
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quote:

SPECIFICALLY, what other officer was in danger if Good drove away?

SPECIFICALLY, what "bystander" was in danger, if Good drove away?
Does the officer who just survived almost being run down by a car have to be able to articulate that in the heat of that moment, or is the reasonable probability that others would likely be in danger enough?

It seems to me that it would, and the court case someone posted above seems to agree.

Also, don't yell at me, please. I'm just asking.
Read Rickard. The two cases bear exactly zero resemblance to one another.
Posted by SOSFAN
Blythewood
Member since Jun 2018
15807 posts
Posted on 1/9/26 at 7:27 pm to
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This board is monolithic enough without trying to get a dissenting voice thrown off. Hank's not doing anything but disagreeing.


You would think a " attorney " would understand rules. Hank has ruined thousands of threads due to his ego and making it about himself.

You and I have to follow the board rules why shouldn't he
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
13464 posts
Posted on 1/9/26 at 7:27 pm to
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Ms. Goode was sitting still on a city street


Until she tried to drive away quickly, recklessly disregarding the safety of the officers in the proximity of her car.
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