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re: For 28 years I had to hold my nose to vote for Bush, Mcain, Romney, W, etc….

Posted on 11/17/22 at 8:29 am to
Posted by minister of truth
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Posted on 11/17/22 at 8:29 am to
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Trump and Fauci suspended our civil liberties because they were scared of a flu variant.


Trump initially went along with this but if you remember he was the first to state it had to end. It was primarily the Democratic governors who continued it into 2021 & beyond.

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Trump and Congress decided to give every American a bunch of money off the printer along with American businesses.


True. It was abused. I am thankful though because starting in April 2020 all my contracts were immediately pulled and I went 10 months without a paycheck

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Trump and big pharma then entered into the lab experiment of 'Operation Warp Speed' and rolled out the clot shot for everyone.



Trump simply eliminated most of the red tape for bringing a "vaccination" to the public. He sure didn't create it in a lab & he never mandated it.

Trump's downfall was he was too naive when dealing with the medical "experts" & the rest of the swamp in DC
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 11/17/22 at 8:31 am to
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Trump initially went along with this but if you remember he was the first to state it had to end.

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President Donald Trump said Wednesday he "strongly disagrees" with Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp's decision to allow businesses like barbershops and nail salons to reopen, a day after he praised him during the White House briefing.


Trump praises Kemp one day, bashes his decision the next. Classic Trump. There is no plan, just an ego.
Posted by Powerman
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Posted on 11/17/22 at 8:33 am to
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Trump praises Kemp one day, bashes his decision the next. Classic Trump. There is no plan, just an ego.

Half of the stuff he talked about doing in his speech the other night were beyond the scope of the executive office and are state issues

Which tells me he still has no real plan for execution if he gets elected again
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 11/17/22 at 8:33 am to
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Trump's downfall was he was too naive when dealing with the medical "experts" & the rest of the swamp in DC


Had he been able to deal better with people, he could have easily relied on others for information.

Naivety doesn't excuse a dude 3 years into his term.
Posted by minister of truth
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Posted on 11/17/22 at 8:37 am to
well that's a different argument than we were discussing which was laying the blame for all the negative consequences of the covid plandemic at his feet


the only plan anyone had at that time was the swamp using covid to remove trump from office. it will go down 1 day in history as the largest operation to illegally remove a sitting president
Posted by minister of truth
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Posted on 11/17/22 at 8:41 am to
Really!! He was relying on others regarding covid. -- who was he supposed to go to initially besides the "experts" in the medical field? Later we all became aware of the snake Fauci was

Again I know we're all experts now in retrospect
Posted by mauser
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Posted on 11/17/22 at 8:41 am to
Yep, the in your face needs to be off camera. That's how lbj did it.

His other big flaw is that he doesn't have a professional political team around him. Amarosa, what the Hell was he thinking.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 11/17/22 at 8:43 am to
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the only plan anyone had at that time was the swamp using covid to remove trump from office. it will go down 1 day in history as the largest operation to illegally remove a sitting president


He was unconventional, and I like that. He just wasnt able to build a team of people who could educate him, and work with/for him as a Liasson between the things he wanted and needed.

Trump was a mercantilist, which is not popular with capitalists. It doesn't seem he ever really tried to educate, just use scare tactics then explain why his plan will save them.

He was also a demagogue, classic one. Bernie is one as well. Appeal to plane people while appealing to emotions, and attacking all opponents perceived or real.

Populism and demagoguery go together very well.
Posted by m2pro
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Posted on 11/17/22 at 8:49 am to
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Even though they didn’t ever move our country forward. But one time the other half of our party can’t vote Trump even though he has a proven track record of putting our country in the best position it had ever been in.



Damn good point.
Posted by minister of truth
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Posted on 11/17/22 at 8:49 am to
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He just wasnt able to build a team of people who could educate him, and work with/for him as a Liasson between the things he wanted and needed.


Agree! This is his biggest downfall. He may have known how to find competent & trustworthy individuals to surround himself in the business world but the swamp of DC is a whole different beast. He is not a politician which can be both good and bad.

Of course his entire term in office was spent defending himself from the full attack of the swamp and the media.
Posted by Giantkiller
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Posted on 11/17/22 at 8:50 am to
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What happened in 2020?


The democrats used mail-in voting to commit the biggest election fraud this planet has ever seen before.
Posted by mule74
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Posted on 11/17/22 at 8:52 am to
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Even though they didn’t ever move our country forward. But one time the other half of our party can’t vote Trump even though he has a proven track record of putting our country in the best position it had ever been in.


What you are saying isn't true. 90% of the party will vote for Trump, or whoever has an R next to their name. It's certainly not half.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 11/17/22 at 8:52 am to
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Agree! This is his biggest downfall.


If he could have put together a decent team that could built coalitions, his administration would have been much different. Probably less spending.

Jared Kushner is the swampiest of swamp creatures and I don't really think he did that much for Trump. He seems to be all about himself.
Posted by minister of truth
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Posted on 11/17/22 at 8:57 am to
and unfortunately I am not convinced he learned from his mistakes during the 1st term I certainly pray he has because I will almost certainly vote for him or desantis over anyone the Dems put up come 2024
Posted by ItNeverRains
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Posted on 11/17/22 at 9:00 am to
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Democrats even made it worse, and Republicans couldn't capitalize because of its factions.


I don’t disagree. It still needs to get worse. Much, much worse. I believe it will. Time will tell.
Posted by geauxbrown
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Posted on 11/17/22 at 9:17 am to
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Oh, just Trump had a terrible year….


Sorry, thought you were bitching about people not wanting to vote for Trump. Not sure what anyone else having a bad year has to do with it.

Fauci
Shutdown schools
Touted the jab….

Just to name a few
Posted by winkchance
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Posted on 11/17/22 at 9:38 am to
Odd thing about Trump - when he ran the media loved him and the republicans and pundits called him a life long democrat.

Then he won the nomination and the media was excited and the republicans were anxious because Hillary was a shoe in and trump was a life long democrat's.

Then he actually won and the media and the left went full on nuclear and planned an impeachment.

Then he did things that benefited the country as a whole and the left cried russia, racist, guy who pees on whores. Meanwhile the republican establishment became torn - they liked the gravy train the left fed them with, but their constituents were asking them to grow a set. They could not.

Trump also would not get us into any wars and his policies helped minorities more than any other administration.

So in a matter of a decade, I guy who was a life long democrat who had received NAACP awards from Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, and someone who was a real estate developer and hotel chain owner is now a fascist, racist, right wing war monger, threat to freedom.

The establishment doth protest too much, methinks, and the zombie hoards are more than easily whipped into line to scream how bad he is.

If Trump did nothing else, he revealed the fraud which is out Government, Hollywood, Media, and the Republican Party (We already knew about the Democrats).

And yet most people will believe the next lie because Trump hurst feelings and they need a trophy.


Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Posted on 11/17/22 at 9:43 am to
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Trump let Covidians try to destroy the nation.



This I agree with. He should have went with his gut of remaining open and reacting to the new disease like America always has.

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Everything we face today has its roots right there.


Not everything, but a lot happened because of the bending the knee. The others fricked up as well before him. The "leaders" of the senate and house are do nothing bitches.

Openly campaign against GOP candidates, publicly bad mouthed them, threw the first two years of Trump's presidency away with power in both chambers because Trump was mean.

That set us up for long time struggles too. Not everything, but one of two to three really bad choices from Trump for sure. The first being not getting rid of all Obama holdovers was the biggest.
Posted by minister of truth
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Posted on 11/17/22 at 9:51 am to
Yep. Once the DC establishment/swamp realized Trump was not going to advance their power/wealth/control, the GOPe for the most part joined the Dimocratic battle to get rid of him at any cost.

And the MSM, the propaganda whores they are, quickly began their portrayal of trump as evil incarnate.

The populous is generally ignorant & lacks any residua of critical thinking. They follow the Ministry of Truth's message to their own detriment.
Posted by JColtF
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Posted on 11/17/22 at 9:53 am to
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For 28 years I had to hold my nose to vote for Bush, Mcain, Romney, W, etc….


They're in charge, we're not

They don't want us to forget that
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