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re: Folks, I've come to the sad realization it has to be DeSantis.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 9:24 am to DiamondDog
Posted on 9/23/22 at 9:24 am to DiamondDog
We are fricked either way. The cancer is too deeply ingrained in everything.
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Posted on 9/23/22 at 9:27 am to Hooligan's Ghost
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DeSantis will make the best vice-president
Trump for 4, DeSantis for 8
This is stupid and has been beaten to death. I wish some of you would quit bringing it up. No way DeSantis will be VP under Trump.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 9:29 am to frogtown
DeSantis will make a great V P
Posted on 9/23/22 at 9:30 am to DiamondDog
Who cares who he can and can't find?
Look at all the shite he was able to accomplish in 4 years when he was President.
He can't find people to kiss his arse? Who cares. All I know is that the 4 years he was president was a lot fricking better for me then the shite we are in right now
Look at all the shite he was able to accomplish in 4 years when he was President.
He can't find people to kiss his arse? Who cares. All I know is that the 4 years he was president was a lot fricking better for me then the shite we are in right now
Posted on 9/23/22 at 9:37 am to DiamondDog
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Trump will never be allowed to govern effectively.
Explain why you believe it’s trump they don’t like and not the America first policies he embodies.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 9:44 am to DiamondDog
quote:Believe it or not, I do acknowledge that Trump has a handful of good ideas, and very few that were worse than HRC or Biden. And he does GENERALLY follow GOP orthodoxy (which is far superior to Dem orthodoxy). The problem is NOT that Trump is not ALLOWED to govern effectively. The problem is that Trump (as a person) is INCAPABLE of governing effectively.
Trump will never be allowed to govern effectively.
To "govern effectively," one must be able to LEAD a group with similar (but distinct) goals, rather than simply to ORDER people to follow on every issue. In his business career, he was the "sole boss" of a closely-held business. He gave orders, and they were followed. It works in that context. He never had to LEARN to form coalitions or to engage in "give and take" within his own organization. In dealing with those outside his organization, the simple fact is that he inherited enough wealth, power and influence that he never HAD to exhibit those traits in dealing with those outside his organization, either. He was able to simple force his will. (Not a bad position, in the business world.)
Frankly, I think that Trump's personality is such that he is UNABLE to do otherwise. He is too monomaniacal to listen to others, and too thin-skinned to listen to criticism.
Those traits made him utterly ineffective as a governmental leader, as demonstrated by the fact that his administration spent four years stuck on high center. These personality traits are not going to change for a man in his late seventies.
quote:Simple reality says that one MUST "sway" to be an effective governmental leader. It is the classic parable about the oak versus the willow. The willow survives the storms that destroy an oak, BECAUSE it can sway (adapt).
I am concerned DeSantis ... can be swayed.
For good or ill, Trump is an oak. An oak makes a wonderful pundit, but a poor leader.
This post was edited on 9/23/22 at 10:06 am
Posted on 9/23/22 at 9:45 am to AggieHank86
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To "govern effectively," one must be able to LEAD a group with similar (but distinct) goals, rather than simply to ORDER people to follow on every issue.
Example of when Trump did this?
Posted on 9/23/22 at 9:46 am to AggieHank86
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He is too monomaniacal to listen to others
Do you have any idea how this sounds coming from the likes of you?
Seriously?
Posted on 9/23/22 at 9:48 am to oogabooga68
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oogabooga68
I acknowledge that I am not good at forming and leading coalitions. I would make a poor elected official.
This post was edited on 9/23/22 at 9:50 am
Posted on 9/23/22 at 9:48 am to DiamondDog
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Trump's a culture warrior that can fight.
Oh yeah? How are his lawsuits going?
Posted on 9/23/22 at 9:48 am to moneyg
quote:2016-2020
Example of when Trump did this?
Posted on 9/23/22 at 9:50 am to EarlyCuyler3
Thats how you gauge fighting?
No wonder you wash dishes and cry about corportaions
No wonder you wash dishes and cry about corportaions
Posted on 9/23/22 at 9:50 am to DiamondDog
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Trump will never be allowed to govern effectively.
So your belief is that Trump won't be allowed to govern, but you think that DeSantis would if he has similar policies?
Your mistake is thinking this is about Trump and not the entire federal government and global business interests rejecting the US populist movement because it impacts their power and profits.
"They aren't actually after me, they are after you. I'm just in the way."
-DJT
Posted on 9/23/22 at 9:52 am to i am dan
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You think DeSantis will be allowed to govern effectively?
Doesn't matter which person runs. Both will receive the same treatment. Our govt is overrun with leftist extremists.
Exactly.. NYTimes has already run a piece that says DeSantis is worse than Trump. They now see Trump as less of a threat than DeSantis.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 9:54 am to DiamondDog
I just don't give a damn which one runs and gets the nomination. Desantis definitely has his upsides as does Trump. But, unfortunately, the road to the White House is so damn difficult for Rs, with the baked in advantage Ds have with California, New York and Illinois.
The real question is, if Desantis runs and gets the nomination, will he get ALL of the Trump voters? Does Desantis have to ability to peel those blue-collar democrats that vote for Trump? Will his decision to run divide the party? Does Desantis have the ability to win Wisconsin, Michigan, or Pennsylvania?
I could see Desantis getting back some of the suburban mom votes that trump lost, but can he maintain the support Trump had from the working class, and minorities?
The real question is, if Desantis runs and gets the nomination, will he get ALL of the Trump voters? Does Desantis have to ability to peel those blue-collar democrats that vote for Trump? Will his decision to run divide the party? Does Desantis have the ability to win Wisconsin, Michigan, or Pennsylvania?
I could see Desantis getting back some of the suburban mom votes that trump lost, but can he maintain the support Trump had from the working class, and minorities?
Posted on 9/23/22 at 9:59 am to tide06
quote:Republicans have often governed effectively during my lifetime, and they have managed to implement significant portions of their agenda. Each time that has happened, the GOP has been led by someone capable of forming and leading coalitions. Trump is must NOT such a person.
Your mistake is thinking this is about Trump
quote:You people seem to think that you have some sort of broad mandate, which you do not. The reality is that you are simply a (perhaps plurality) percentage of approximately half of the population (the GOP).
the entire federal government and global business interests rejecting the US populist movement
To enact elements of your agenda, you must work (and compromise) with people who share some of your views, and not others. (You call them the GOPe).
For whatever reason, your "movement" has proven to be utterly ineffective at doing so.
Compare yourself to small-L libertarians. We have not tried to change the entire country. We understand that we do not have the numbers (just as you do not). We have money (the Kochs) and we have some influential elected officials (the Pauls). We take a bit here and a bit there, just trying to slowly nudge the country in the right direction. By contrast, your "movement" seems to think that it can implement a complete change of course, just by winning one election cycle. Honestly, it is clinically cray-cray.
quote:Pure demagoguery, and you people buy it.
"They aren't actually after me, they are after you. I'm just in the way."
This post was edited on 9/23/22 at 10:00 am
Posted on 9/23/22 at 10:01 am to Ten Bears
Doesn't matter if you nominate Trump or any Trump tard light you still going to lose election. You'd have better chances with a Cheney or a kiss singer if you really wanted to win. Most of America really doesn't want Trump or a trump tard again as president.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 10:02 am to SDVTiger
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corportaions
Posted on 9/23/22 at 10:03 am to 1BIGTigerFan
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DeSantis will be vilified
Indeed, it's already happening.
Posted on 9/23/22 at 10:05 am to DiamondDog
I've voted for Trump twice and will support him in 2024 if he runs.
I do however agree that Donald J. Trump will never ever ever be allowed to be the President of the United States again.
I'm certain of this.
They will charge him, put him on trial and put him in prison if they have to.
If all that fails he will be killed or die mysteriously.
He will not be President again.
I do however agree that Donald J. Trump will never ever ever be allowed to be the President of the United States again.
I'm certain of this.
They will charge him, put him on trial and put him in prison if they have to.
If all that fails he will be killed or die mysteriously.
He will not be President again.
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