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re: Flynn was unmasked 44 times by 30+ officials prior to Kislyak phone call
Posted on 5/13/20 at 2:40 pm to GumboPot
Posted on 5/13/20 at 2:40 pm to GumboPot
quote:
And the motivation do do this is so the media can latch on to your name and destroy you in the press, right?
The legit motivation is actual counterintelligence work, ie US Person is giving foreign agent classified info and you need to reveal the identity of the spy.
It can certainly be used for illegitimate reasons, but there are supposed to be safeguards built in to prevent this.
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Posted on 5/13/20 at 2:41 pm to boosiebadazz
There were obviously no real safeguards.
Posted on 5/13/20 at 2:41 pm to boosiebadazz
quote:
supposed to be
Posted on 5/13/20 at 2:41 pm to boosiebadazz
quote:
It can certainly be used for illegitimate reasons, but there are supposed to be safeguards built in to prevent this.
Which appear to have been drastically overstepped here.
Posted on 5/13/20 at 2:42 pm to boosiebadazz
quote:Like FISA work!
but there are supposed to be safeguards built in to prevent this.
Posted on 5/13/20 at 2:42 pm to the808bass
Even maintaining a list of officials who requested the unmasking is a sort of safeguard. They can now be publicly outed and will have to answer for their actions.
But I agree with you that the entire FISA system is too heavily weighted towards the government and “its better to ask for forgiveness than permission”
But I agree with you that the entire FISA system is too heavily weighted towards the government and “its better to ask for forgiveness than permission”
This post was edited on 5/13/20 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 5/13/20 at 2:43 pm to Loserman
quote:
Flynn really pissed off Obama
Jug ears was glaring, red-eyed mad at the General.
Posted on 5/13/20 at 2:43 pm to the808bass
quote:
There were obviously no real safeguards.
I think there's a decent chance this was a key subject that came up during Mike Rogers announced trip to Trump Tower way back when. He was supposed to be the approver in situations like this, but it didn't seem to work that way
Posted on 5/13/20 at 2:44 pm to joshnorris14
It sounds like they were doing "ask queries" on him, not just unmasking.
If so, they were literally spying on him just to see what they could pick up.
If so, they were literally spying on him just to see what they could pick up.
Posted on 5/13/20 at 2:44 pm to GumboPot
bottom line they used what is for monitoring threats and terrorists for oppo research.
This post was edited on 5/13/20 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 5/13/20 at 2:44 pm to SCLibertarian
The lawyers offices in DC are really busy today.
Posted on 5/13/20 at 2:46 pm to trinidadtiger
quote:Bingo.
It sounds like they were doing "ask queries" on him, not just unmasking.
If so, they were literally spying on him just to see what they could pick up.
Posted on 5/13/20 at 2:47 pm to boosiebadazz
They were never spying on foreigners. They were using the foreign surveillance system to spy on Trump associates. Hence the unmasking, the NSA database queries, "russia" angle, etc...
Please let's not waste our time giving these people the benefit of the doubt.
Please let's not waste our time giving these people the benefit of the doubt.
Posted on 5/13/20 at 2:47 pm to SirWinston
quote:
Do we think they will start any proceedings before the election? It’s risky to do it before but obviously super fricking risky to delay it until after as well.
Barr said he wouldn't start any "proceedings" against a presidential candidate that can be perceived as political. So it's a judgement call based on the offense of the presidential candidate. Murder? Sure he would pursue it. A technicality? Would likely hold off. The prosecutor has to weight the political environment and jury pool to make a decision to proceed in every case. He also specifically said that does not rule out anyone associated with a campaign or former campaign.
Posted on 5/13/20 at 2:49 pm to Jbird
quote:
It sounds like they were doing "ask queries" on him, not just unmasking.
If so, they were literally spying on him just to see what they could pick up.
quote:and now I will delete my explanation this one is short and sweet.
Bingo
Posted on 5/13/20 at 2:53 pm to joshnorris14
This happened...
This also happened (and was covered by other media outlets)
On December 15th Trump tweeted the following:
"If Russia, or some other entity, was hacking, why did the White House wait so long to act? Why did they only complain after Hillary lost?"
Looks like these corrupt Obama folks were already in the process of trying to take Flynn down with coordinated attacks about his lack of fitness for the job. It just appears they needed a bit more to get the job done.
This also happened (and was covered by other media outlets)
On December 15th Trump tweeted the following:
"If Russia, or some other entity, was hacking, why did the White House wait so long to act? Why did they only complain after Hillary lost?"
Looks like these corrupt Obama folks were already in the process of trying to take Flynn down with coordinated attacks about his lack of fitness for the job. It just appears they needed a bit more to get the job done.
This post was edited on 5/13/20 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 5/13/20 at 2:54 pm to Vacherie Saint
It's a pretty brazen thing to do after the election when they knew Trump won and would be in charge.
They better hope there is other information not in the public domain that gave them a legit reason to do so.
They better hope there is other information not in the public domain that gave them a legit reason to do so.
Posted on 5/13/20 at 2:55 pm to cajunangelle
Per Admiral Rogers, an unmasking request sent to the NSA has to be considered by a person with authority to do the unmasking. (There are 20 who can do it, including Rogers.) The request has to be in writing, and has to set forth the reason for the request. There are 3 criteria. 1. They need the info in the capacity of their official job function; 2. There must be a legitimate need for the info; 3. They need the info to better understand the intelligence.
Here, unmasking requests were sent. Would be interesting to see the written requests, and the purported "need" for the unmasking. If NSA doing their job, they'd only provide the name if the request met their "guidelines". Thus, if the requests were bogus, the NSA unmasker must have been asleep at the wheel. (The criteria is what Admiral Rogers discussed in his testimony.) For the life of me, what "reason" would Joe Biden put in an unmasking request, and how would that be a legitimate request based on his official job function?
Here, unmasking requests were sent. Would be interesting to see the written requests, and the purported "need" for the unmasking. If NSA doing their job, they'd only provide the name if the request met their "guidelines". Thus, if the requests were bogus, the NSA unmasker must have been asleep at the wheel. (The criteria is what Admiral Rogers discussed in his testimony.) For the life of me, what "reason" would Joe Biden put in an unmasking request, and how would that be a legitimate request based on his official job function?
Posted on 5/13/20 at 2:55 pm to John McClane
Posted on 5/13/20 at 2:58 pm to boosiebadazz
i've been watching designated survivor and it really makes me think the obama administration is frickED there is really no way to fully hide a paper trail or electronic footprint.
good night my sweet kenyan prince don't let the door hit you on the way out of the country
good night my sweet kenyan prince don't let the door hit you on the way out of the country
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