re: Flynn was secretly communicating with the Russians while they....

Toddy never disappoints folks

He talked shop with Russia shortly before the inauguration and made pence look bad. That's the extant of it so far.

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were attacking our democracy. And the Trump administration knew about this WEEKS ago from the AG that Trump fired. Yet Trump only got rid of him after this was released publicly. How can any of you defend this ?

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I imagine most attacks on our democracy are occurring from within these days.

And we only care about things we get emotional over. Not too much emotion in this story.

Sauce?

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The Russian ambassador is always under surveillance.

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So what information did the Obama Administration have and how long did they sit on it? Somebody in your boy's admin knew Flynn was communicating with the Russians. If it is against the Logan Act now, it was against it before Obama left office.

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How can any of you defend this ?

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I can defend it easily.

It aggravates you.

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Toddy,

I've pretty much had enough with the misrepresentations of what happened in the election vis a vis the Russians . You can continue the spin that the Russians were "attacking our democracy" all you want and you would be wrong.

The Russians if they did anything got hold of phished emails of a PRIVATE citizen in John Podesta. They also got emails of DNC staffers who are not government employees. They then gave those correspondence to WikiLeaks. WikiLeaks then published some EMAILS. There was nothing classified.They did it because the Russians and Julian Assange had a beef with Clinton/Obama. Clinton and her people got sloppy. The emails only reinforced what a lot of people already thought of Hillary Clinton.

I would wager to bet that the reason why Hillary Clinton lost Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin had probably zero to do with the emails. It had more to do with economics and just general disdain with the status quo/establishment of BOTH parties. All Clinton offered the middle/working class was more of the same....a lot of bullshite plans that never seem to improve anything other than the bottom lines of economic terrorists like Lloyd Blankfein, Jamie Dimon, et al from Wall Street and some of the tech overlords on the West Coast.

The Russians did not hack any voting machines and no one even from the Obama Administration ever suggested that they had. The Russians did not change results of reportage of results.

Toddy, What Flynn is accused of doing is a violation of the Logan Act enacted in 1799 and has been used exactly 0 times in the intervening 218 years because its scope is narrow to the extent that you could violate it by just talking to a foreign diplomat about business in general as opposed to the particular. If the roles were reversed and Hillary Clinton was going in to office ( she was a private citizen) would you have had your panties in a wad? Of course you wouldn't and please don't pull a Hugh Freeze and say that would not happen....happens all the time especially in Transition from Administration to Administration.

Hopefully this clears up your spin and now you might actually understand what happened and is happening. You may have gone to school in Oxford, but you did not go to school at Oxford. There is a difference.

Do you have evidence or are you just speculating?

He was just asking about their gay internment camps designs. No big deal.