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re: Flynn 302 released
Posted on 6/6/19 at 4:37 pm to YankeeBama
Posted on 6/6/19 at 4:37 pm to YankeeBama
So who's going to jail now that the light has been shined on this 302?
Posted on 6/6/19 at 4:38 pm to BeefDawg
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Wray is either compromised (they showed him they had dirt on him after he was confirmed and turned him into their puppet), or he was plant from the beginning. Maybe even both.
Wray is the last line of defense for the conflicted. Trump knows this.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 4:38 pm to cajunangelle
Leak Leak Leak...they'll never stop until people get fired or locked up for doing it.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 4:39 pm to BeefDawg
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I'd like to know who on Trump's team recommended Wray to Trump and if he's still on the team.
Sit down.
It was Rod Rosenstein.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 4:41 pm to Rebel
Yep, I posted that a few weeks ago-- RR got Wray in as FBI Dir.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 4:41 pm to Rebel
That's one who needs his arse kicked for certain.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 4:44 pm to BeefDawg
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5. How did they get approval to spy on Flynn phone calls and why?
I agree with most of your post but this part has an easy explanation. They weren't spying on Flynn's phone calls. They were spying on the Russian talking to Flynn's phone calls. It doesn't change anything else they did but it would only be natural for U.S. intelligence agencies to be monitoring the activities and communications of anyone connected to the Russian government.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 4:51 pm to 88Wildcat
Except US citizens are masked. Right?
Posted on 6/6/19 at 4:51 pm to 88Wildcat
I will bet you the farm that Obama ordered Flynn's wires fully tapped; when Flynn started speaking about Obama's fricked up foreign policy before Obama fired him and it continued on...
Posted on 6/6/19 at 4:53 pm to cajunangelle
You know that egotistical narcissistic bitch just had to know what Flynn was telling Trump.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 4:57 pm to cajunangelle
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will bet you the farm that Obama ordered Flynn's wires fully tapped; when Flynn started speaking about Obama's fricked up foreign policy before Obama fired him and it continued on...
Barry tapped many men’s wires.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 5:02 pm to cajunangelle
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Yep that was fake news from breaking news on twitter.
I hope that whoever is Flynn's new lawyer (s) work pro bono. Because I am sure the man is broke from honest Bob's crack pot hyperpartisan lawyers.
How messed up is that?
The law firm representing Flynn is the same law firm (Covington & Burling) that Eric Holder works at. And, his lawyer (Robert Kelner) was a huge anti-Trumper.
That just seems really strange and convenient. Especially now that he's fired them shortly after Mueller is made to close up shop.
How much you wanna bet Flynn didn't want this firm representing him even at the beginning, but he was sort of "persuaded" to retain them? Just like he was "persuaded" to cop a guilty plea or his son get charged with something.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 5:10 pm to cajunangelle
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Sit down.
It was Rod Rosenstein.
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Yep, I posted that a few weeks ago-- RR got Wray in as FBI Dir.
Well frickin-a. What a shite-show.
The level of forces working against Trump is like nothing I've ever seen before or even conceived possible.
We're going to need a miracle to come out of this on top of the swamp.
I'm really disappointed at the speed at which the truth is coming out. It feels like nobody is being held accountable and they might get away with it. I'm tired of asking why it's taking so long. When is a big domino going to fall?
Posted on 6/6/19 at 5:12 pm to BeefDawg
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Well frickin-a. What a shite-show.
The level of forces working against Trump is like nothing I've ever seen before or even conceived possible.
We're going to need a miracle to come out of this on top of the swamp.
I'm really disappointed at the speed at which the truth is coming out. It feels like nobody is being held accountable and they might get away with it. I'm tired of asking why it's taking so long. When is a big domino going to fall?
I’ve never been a “Trust (fill in the blank)” person, but Barr gives zero fricks and is about to expose everything.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 5:23 pm to 88Wildcat
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I agree with most of your post but this part has an easy explanation. They weren't spying on Flynn's phone calls. They were spying on the Russian talking to Flynn's phone calls. It doesn't change anything else they did but it would only be natural for U.S. intelligence agencies to be monitoring the activities and communications of anyone connected to the Russian government.
Yes, this is how the NSA 702 program works.
The problem is, the law surrounding this program requires all US persons speaking to approved foreigners are supposed to be redacted/masked. And the only way to "UNMASK" them is with an additional approval from the FISA court. And in that request, they have to supply probable cause for the unmasking and it must apply to some form of policing national security.
We now know that several people within arms length of Obama in his direct circle were performing dozens and dozens of unauthorized unmaskings (Power, Rice, Rhodes, Yates, Brennan, Clapper, Lynch, etc.), in addition to a bunch of outside 3rd party contractors who apparently had access to a 702 SCIF somehow (we think Fusion GPS was one of them).
It's almost a certainty at this point that Sally Yates, or someone in her office, leaked the transcript of one of Flynn's phone calls to Kislyak to the media. She stupidly did a news interview where she mentioned they "know for certain Admiral Flynn has spoken to Russians", and then literally the next day the transcript of their phone call is in the news.
They had no proper basis or probably cause to spy on Flynn.
We know this because they didn't charge Flynn with doing anything nefarious or wrong with regards to his discussions with Kislyak or anyone. There was ZERO national security threat and therefore no viable reason to unmask Flynn. Especially not in January after the election had already happened and when these phone calls happened.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 5:31 pm to YankeeBama
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The DOJ has released the FBI agent report (FD-302) written after their interview of Michael Flynn on Jan 24th, 2017. (Full pdf below) From prior testimony we know that FBI Agent Peter Strzok did the questioning and FBI Agent Joe Pientka took notes.
However, for some reason, within the DOJ release of the report they are continuing to redact the name Joe Pientka. [Could be due to ongoing employment]
It’s worth noting according to Mark Meadows the Office of Inspector General Michael Horowitz has interviewed Joe Pientka extensively; prior attempts by congress to gain testimony from Pientka were blocked by the FBI and Rod Rosenstein.
FBI Agent Joseph Pientka was never interviewed by the joint House judiciary and oversight committees (Goodlatte and Gowdy). The reason, as explained by Meadows, was simple; Pientka was on Weissmann and Mueller’s special counsel team. Congress was not allowed to interfere in the Mueller probe. In hindsight this looks like Weissmann, Mueller & Rosenstein strategically using the investigation as a shield from sunlight.
The interview took place on January 24, 2017. The report was written Jan 24th, 2017. The wording was then deliberated by the small group, approved by FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe, and entered into the record on February 15th, 2017. Here’s the report:
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The interview took place on January 24th, 2017. The FD-302 was drafted on January 24th, and then later edited, shaped, and ultimately approved by McCabe on February 14th, then entered into the official record on February 15th.
It was a deliberative document from the outset. Thanks to the Strzok/Page text messages we know the 2018 cover letter from the Special Counsel is misleading. The Feb 15th, 2017, date was the day after McCabe approved it (three weeks after the FBI interview).
May 17th, 2017, Robert Mueller was assigned as special Counsel. Then, the FD-302 report was re-entered on May 31st, 2017, removing the header; paving the way for Mueller’s team to use the content therein.
LINK
Posted on 6/6/19 at 5:42 pm to the808bass
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Except US citizens are masked. Right?
Correct. Which means that there should be documentation of the unmasking request on Flynn...
If there is no documentation of the unmasking request, then there’s gonna be a problem for a few folks in the Obama admin.
Only other way they could’ve listened in on Flynn’s calls was by having a FISA warrant on him- and if that’s what indeed happened, I suspect those same folks will have an even bigger problem.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 6:25 pm to BeefDawg
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Yes, this is how the NSA 702 program works.
NYT reported this past weekend there was a FISA warrant on Kislyak. If so, no 702 authority used here.
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The order last month from the judge, Emmet G. Sullivan of the Federal District Court in the District of Columbia, was unusual. The transcripts came from a secret F.B.I. wiretap of Mr. Kislyak, and their release would have provided an extraordinarily rare look at the fruits of the government’s eavesdropping. Agents routinely listen to wiretaps of foreign officials, but they remain among the government’s most closely held secrets.
The calls between Mr. Flynn and Mr. Kislyak were referenced repeatedly in court documents and the special counsel’s report on Russian election interference but never released, and prosecutors have not acknowledged the existence of the wiretap. Judge Sullivan, who is overseeing Mr. Flynn’s case, ordered that audio recordings of his conversations with Mr. Kislyak be made public along with a voice mail message made by the president’s lawyer.
The Justice Department’s refusal to comply with the judge’s order made clear that prosecutors had no interest in confirming the wiretap, which was approved by the secretive Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.
LINK
This post was edited on 6/6/19 at 6:26 pm
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