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re: Feud between The Daily Wire and Steven Crowder goes public...
Posted on 1/19/23 at 2:15 pm to MasterDigger
Posted on 1/19/23 at 2:15 pm to MasterDigger
How is revenue generated for him to be paid? I can’t believe you can’t see that DW’s position is a rational business consideration and is not political.
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Posted on 1/19/23 at 2:16 pm to TbirdSpur2010
DW explained the paying out of pocket thing. They said for most of their talent, they provide all of the production/studio costs and turn on the camera. But, they know Crowder wants his team and studio. So, they were basically saying, we'll give you this big pot of money and you figure out how to divvy it up with your crew.
I'm not sure how I feel about the banning risk. Crowder wants to be able to do whatever he feels and DW has to take the risk. That may be unfair of him, but again, he has doesn't have a lot of control over what youtube and facebook will do when they want to implement the banhammer. Was it conspiracy theory to promote the Devin Nunes memo in 2017 that would have exonerated Trump? Was it conspiracy theory to say COVID vaccines would not stop spread? I get the arguments for why Crowder doesn't want to be muzzled.
I'm not sure how I feel about the banning risk. Crowder wants to be able to do whatever he feels and DW has to take the risk. That may be unfair of him, but again, he has doesn't have a lot of control over what youtube and facebook will do when they want to implement the banhammer. Was it conspiracy theory to promote the Devin Nunes memo in 2017 that would have exonerated Trump? Was it conspiracy theory to say COVID vaccines would not stop spread? I get the arguments for why Crowder doesn't want to be muzzled.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 2:19 pm to RollTide1987
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There are a lot of people who are right wing who absolutely despise other conservatives who don't agree with them on EVERYTHING. I have a couple of guys I follow on YouTube and Twitter who hate The Daily Wire because they refused to say that the 2020 election was stolen.
I honestly don't know DW that well other than Walsh taking on the trannies. But, this drives me crazy about criticism of Tucker. He is the best guy for the right in MSM by far, carrying a mostly populist message. He gets called a cuck for "not covering election fraud." What is he supposed to say other than showing video of Ruby Freeman or saying mail-ins invite fraud?
Posted on 1/19/23 at 2:22 pm to DevilDagNS
quote:$50M in USD is worth like $100T in Canadian Monopoly money.
What I don't understand is how Jordan Peterson got on with DW with terms like that.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 2:23 pm to mauser
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He ain't worth 50 million for 4 years
Actually if he goes out on his own he's worth double. You'd be surprised how much money these guys make.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 2:29 pm to RollTide1987
Posted on 1/19/23 at 2:31 pm to boogiewoogie1978
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He ain't worth 50 million for 4 years
It's pretty clear that being a clown wearing a shoulder holster on the internet attracts a lot of eye-balls. Something I didn't realize.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 2:33 pm to Bunk Moreland
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I'm not sure how I feel about the banning risk. Crowder wants to be able to do whatever he feels and DW has to take the risk. That may be unfair of him, but again, he has doesn't have a lot of control over what youtube and facebook will do when they want to implement the banhammer.
But it's not the entire consideration. A better way to think of it is if he can manage content on YT, etc., he gets a bonus.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 2:35 pm to i am dan
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Nobody on this planet is worth $50M for 4 years.
You've obviously never read any thread about Joe Burrow on this site.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 2:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
Yeah, as GumboPot said, there are guys who have this figured out by keeping the dicier topics off youtube.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 2:42 pm to RollTide1987
I think a simple no thank you would've sufficied I don't think the theatrics were necessary either way I'm glad most people have awoken to the fact that the daily wire is a RINO nest run by a slimy little weasel in Ben Shapiro.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 2:57 pm to LSUnation78
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I felt the same until I heard DW’s side. It makes sense. They have production teams already that do things for the rest of their creators.
They built in the production costs to his offer because they knew thats what he wanted. The offer also had production budgets added for the other content they were discussing such as a Stand Up or documentary.
Yeah that makes sense.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 3:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
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A better way to think of it is if he can manage content on YT, etc., he gets a bonus.
Agreed, it's just a little disingenuous of DW, since SC's schtick has always involved flirting with being deplatformed or whatever.
Understand where DW's coming from, though.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 3:46 pm to TH095526
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I think a simple no thank you would've sufficied I don't think the theatrics were necessary either way I'm glad most people have awoken to the fact that the daily wire is a RINO nest run by a slimy little weasel in Ben Shapiro.
Indeed. In our world where crazy leftist wackos control the vast majority of our institutions the Daily Wire truly is our worst enemy. Let's fire away at them because a couple of their personalities wouldn't walk lock and step with everything Trump said and did.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:31 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Crowder told them her could bring 350,000 unique subscribers on day one.
I'm reading between the lines on the Boring statement, because he asked him how he knew that and Crowder said he didn't know, the Blaze handled all of that. Their solution was to ask his audience to subscribe to a mailing list. On day one that mailing list suffered a DDOS attack. Who knows how many Mug Club subs already have DW subs.
He needed to do a market study and come prepared. If those were legit numbers, that $12.5M. might turn into closer to $20M.
If he can seriously maintain 500K yearly subscribers at $100/yr that's a $50M budget to pay himself, produce his show, pay his people and handle overhead, legal, etc. even w/o sponsorship.
Someone has to run the "business" I don't know if he has the skillset for that. I don't know if he trusts ANYONE to handle that job which is going to be 10x more time consuming that producing his 4 day a week 35 week a year show.
The Man goes on Hiatus a ton. The guy has his dad, or Dave of someone else cover random Thursday's about 30% of the time. If he's gonna keep putting in that light workload are people going to pay $99/yr for ONLY him w/o the Blaze or someone else tagged onto it?
I'm reading between the lines on the Boring statement, because he asked him how he knew that and Crowder said he didn't know, the Blaze handled all of that. Their solution was to ask his audience to subscribe to a mailing list. On day one that mailing list suffered a DDOS attack. Who knows how many Mug Club subs already have DW subs.
He needed to do a market study and come prepared. If those were legit numbers, that $12.5M. might turn into closer to $20M.
If he can seriously maintain 500K yearly subscribers at $100/yr that's a $50M budget to pay himself, produce his show, pay his people and handle overhead, legal, etc. even w/o sponsorship.
Someone has to run the "business" I don't know if he has the skillset for that. I don't know if he trusts ANYONE to handle that job which is going to be 10x more time consuming that producing his 4 day a week 35 week a year show.
The Man goes on Hiatus a ton. The guy has his dad, or Dave of someone else cover random Thursday's about 30% of the time. If he's gonna keep putting in that light workload are people going to pay $99/yr for ONLY him w/o the Blaze or someone else tagged onto it?
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:55 pm to CountryVolFan
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If he's gonna keep putting in that light workload are people going to pay $99/yr for ONLY him w/o the Blaze or someone else tagged onto it?
I'm not sure it's completely fair to call it a light workload. The spoofs, the change my minds, etc. are all work that goes into making content that aren't the daily show.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:10 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Do you people actually consume this refuse?
Well, your IQ is dirt, not really the target audience
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
Crowder keeps framing it in terms of principle but he basically wanted DW to change their entire business model AND pay him a giant salary, even if he isn’t able to make them money…so yeah. I don’t fault Crowder for standing by his principles but all he’s doing now is burning a bridge when he should be focused on the long term viability of his own business.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:18 pm to JasonMason
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m not sure it's completely fair to call it a light workload. The spoofs, the change my minds, etc. are all work that goes into making content that aren't the daily show.
When he films a Change my mind, he runs it for one or two of his normal show days.
The Music video and skits, while I’m sure more labor intensive than the talk format, still fit into his 2ish total hours runtime.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:22 pm to RollTide1987
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Okay. Then decline the offer and move on. The Daily Wire is an online platform that relies on ad revenue and video monetization to survive.
It's not just about him. He doesn't fricking need DW. Point is this is how they operate with everyone which means a huge company which says they're fighting a particular fight against big tech is actually working their contracts in such a way that allows big tech to dictate how they compensate people. People who do not have 6 million subs and can't tell DW to go frick themselves.
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