- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Federal judge rules White House's AP ban unconstitutional for 'viewpoint discrimination'
Posted on 4/9/25 at 10:52 am to SouthEndzoneTiger
Posted on 4/9/25 at 10:52 am to SouthEndzoneTiger
quote:
I am certainly no expert on any of this, but I would assume that a journalist, in order to receive credentials to get into press conferences at the White House has to jump through many hoops in order to obtain that
So you have to be privy to that, glad we now agree.
quote:
I would imagine that thousands upon thousands apply and never get in. I would also assume that this ruling refers to locking out an otherwise credentialed journalist for 'viewpoint discrimination'.
The first amendment is your credentials, other than your background information to gain access to the WH, but I assume you’re a fine gentlemen.
quote:
Also, it appears the AP was only locked out of the Oval Office and Air Force One, not the daily White House briefings.
So they still had access just not unlimited access. There’s plenty of the press pool who don’t get to go on Air Force one, are they now going to be allowed for equality purposes?
1
Posted on 4/9/25 at 10:52 am to SouthEndzoneTiger
quote:
for 'viewpoint discrimination'
are they just making shite up now or is this a real thing?
Only competent attorneys answer please; no SloFlowPeters
Posted on 4/9/25 at 10:55 am to SouthEndzoneTiger
They are not banned, the AP just gets the seats on the WH lawn.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 11:03 am to momentoftruth87
Again, my answers to your questions are my opinion only.
Yes, agreed. And many people are turned down for many reasons (limited capacity, journalists deemed less competent, etc.), as long as the reason isn't 'viewpoint discrimination'. Which in this case the judge saw no other reason listed.
Again, it is my opinion that tons of people can't get in for many reasons, as long as it's not because of 'viewpoint discrimination'.
Basically, the AP already had a 'hard to get' seat at the table, and were then asked to leave for an unconstitutional reason, according to this judge.
quote:
So you have to be privy to that, glad we now agree.
Yes, agreed. And many people are turned down for many reasons (limited capacity, journalists deemed less competent, etc.), as long as the reason isn't 'viewpoint discrimination'. Which in this case the judge saw no other reason listed.
quote:
The first amendment is your credentials, other than your background information to gain access to the WH, but I assume you’re a fine gentlemen.
Again, it is my opinion that tons of people can't get in for many reasons, as long as it's not because of 'viewpoint discrimination'.
Basically, the AP already had a 'hard to get' seat at the table, and were then asked to leave for an unconstitutional reason, according to this judge.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 11:05 am to SouthEndzoneTiger
So obvious propagandists have rights too? Great, shame them at every opportunity when they show bias. Put them on the defensive, when you aren't busy doing something important.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 11:06 am to SouthEndzoneTiger
quote:
it cannot then shut those doors to other journalists because of their viewpoints," he added. "The Constitution requires no less."
I'm not sure he's right, but if he is this does major damage to the leftists cultural/lawfare war they've been waging.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 11:08 am to SouthEndzoneTiger
quote:
U.S. District Judge Trevor N. McFadden, a Trump appointee, said that the White House acted against the First Amendment, which prohibits discrimination based on viewpoints,
Well that’s gonna open a big arse can of worms. Does that mean debanking a person or business is illegal also if they hold certain conservative viewpoints?
Posted on 4/9/25 at 11:10 am to Flats
quote:
I'm not sure he's right, but if he is this does major damage to the leftists cultural/lawfare war they've been waging.
Yes, this was the main point of this thread. It kind of got derailed, but this is the point I was trying to make.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 11:13 am to RohanGonzales
quote:
So obvious propagandists have rights too?
people will defend hate speech on privately owned websites but think propaganda isn’t protected by the first amendment.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 11:20 am to SouthEndzoneTiger
It’s amazing I thought the MAGA crowd were the defenders of free speech. Now they want echo chambers
Posted on 4/9/25 at 11:21 am to DavidTheGnome
I just literally encouraged him to go flex his first amendment right of freedom of press, dummy
Posted on 4/9/25 at 11:22 am to SouthEndzoneTiger
Can someone point me to the viewpoint discrimination section in the Constitution?
Posted on 4/9/25 at 11:27 am to DavidTheGnome
quote:
It’s amazing I thought the MAGA crowd were the defenders of free speech. Now they want echo chambers
I'm as MAGA as the next guy, but I stated in the OP that I tend to agree with the ruling. Whether it's actually unconstitutional or not, I think it was kind of a petty move over an insignificant thing. I also think it's opens up the dims to all this pronoun bullshite. We may end up thanking the AP before this is over with.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 11:27 am to Blizzard of Chizz
quote:
Well that’s gonna open a big arse can of worms. Does that mean debanking a person or business is illegal also if they hold certain conservative viewpoints?
Is the bank the government?
That is the issue here.
The White House explicitly stated they were punishing the AP - treating them differently from other wire service journalists - because of their refusal to use "Gulf of America" in their reporting. So, discriminating based on speech - which is forbidden under the First Amendment. A bank can, presumably, discriminate based on speech - at least the Constitution permits it, although there may be statutes that prohibit what you are talking about.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 11:29 am to SouthEndzoneTiger
quote:
I'm as MAGA as the next guy, but I stated in the OP that I tend to agree with the ruling. Whether it's actually unconstitutional or not, I think it was kind of a petty move over an insignificant thing. I also think it's opens up the dims to all this pronoun bullshite. We may end up thanking the AP before this is over with.
Wasn’t a reply to your OP, just to all the folks here saying “nobody has a right to ask the president questions” etc
Posted on 4/9/25 at 11:31 am to momentoftruth87
quote:
I just literally encouraged him to go flex his first amendment right of freedom of press, dummy
And I responded, respectfully, you know, without name calling. What's up with you? You think because I disagree with one move Trump made that makes me anti-Trump or something?
Posted on 4/9/25 at 11:33 am to DavidTheGnome
quote:
Wasn’t a reply to your OP, just to all the folks here saying “nobody has a right to ask the president questions” etc
Posted on 4/9/25 at 11:33 am to JimEverett
quote:
A bank can, presumably, discriminate based on speech
But no business open to the public can discriminate against protected classes. This judge seems to be putting forth the argument that political beliefs should be a protected class just like religious beliefs.
Like I said, I'm not sure he's correct and I lean towards not, but the left will freak out about this if they understand what it means.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 11:34 am to Flats
quote:
But no business open to the public can discriminate against protected classes. This judge seems to be putting forth the argument that political beliefs should be a protected class just like religious beliefs.
Businesses aren’t the government.
The 1st amendment applies to the government.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 11:34 am to Flats
Page 2 of 3
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News