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re: FCC plans to vote to overturn U.S. net neutrality rules in December

Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:12 am to
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126568 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:12 am to
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You didn't answer my question. So, I'll ask it more slowly. Would the current nodes be slowed down if the net traffic was the same as in 2010?


I can't take you serious when you think people are data hogs.

But to make this very easy. ISPs did not move at the same pace as the technology of streaming and gaming in HD and 4K.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133408 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:13 am to
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I live in SW Oklahoma. The only ISP in the area that provides internet over 5 meg is cable one/
I just googled "internet service providers in southwest Oklahoma."

I got 14 highspeed ISP's in Lawton, Oklahoma, with all of them exceeding 10mbps except one and it provides 3mbps. LINK

All of southwest Oklahoma is covered by AT&T, Verizon and Sprint, along with other smaller, regional carriers.

You can't seriously believe that high speed internet access is only available if someone runs a wire into your residence?
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
53539 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:13 am to
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Exactly. And, just think what will happen to Internet porn!


SINNERNET!

You say that as a joke but to many deviants it’s a legitimate concern. I guess you baws will need a subscription, sin ain’t free or without consequence.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62463 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:13 am to
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One person using more data does not make anyone else's internet slow.
So you’re saying AT&T can deliver an infinite amount of traffic to consumers from the CO? Amazing!!

And you’re claiming others don’t know how this works?
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:13 am to
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well i don't think eliminating NN will suddenly allow competitors into the market,


Agreed. Almost nothing in even perfect free markets creates "sudden" results.

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however, maintaining NN almost assuredly kills competition for new products/services. the barrier to entry is high and backed by government
Yup.

Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126568 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:14 am to
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”From ISP according to his ability to each consumer according to their needs!”


You have no idea what you are talking about

to stream in 4K you need around 15-20 megs down.

Keep believing in your make believe data hogs.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62463 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:14 am to
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Well, they still have to attract new customers
Getting warmer.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126568 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:15 am to
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I just googled "internet service providers in southwest Oklahoma." I got 14 highspeed ISP's in Lawton, Oklahoma, with all of them exceeding 10mbps except one and it provides 3mbps. LINK All of southwest Oklahoma is covered by AT&T, Verizon and Sprint, along with other smaller, regional carriers. You can't seriously believe that high speed internet access is only available if someone runs a wire into your residence?


I don't live in Latwon....

and a whole bunch of those a satellite which is crap.
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 10:20 am
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:15 am to
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I can't take you serious when you think people are data hogs.

Again. Because you're dodging.

Your assertion is that they get slow because of failure to do what is necessary.

So, if the net traffic was what it was in 2010, would today's infrastructure be having the problems you are describing.

You're dodging for a reason. And you and I both know why.

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But to make this very easy. ISPs did not move at the same pace as the technology of streaming and gaming in HD and 4K.

Wait.......this looks a bit like an admission!!!
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39151 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:15 am to
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let me just say that NN is a very recent policy (2015) and we did not see this behavior in any sort of large scale prior to NN



We will see it very quickly. I know some people who work for some telecom companies who are tell me the companies are absolutely giddy about the repeal of NN. Not only that, in 2014, Netflix had to come to an agreement with Comcast about improving the quality of its service to Netflix users. The post-NN landscape will be littered with these sorts of agreements.

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well to be fair, NN cements the lack of consumer options by reinforcing what essentially amount to government-backed monopolies



It's a tough choice, but I'm going to have to go with one that at the minimum ensures thee isn't any discrimination by protocol, discrimination by ISP, favoring of private networks, and peering discrimination.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464396 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:15 am to
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when you think people are data hogs.

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ISPs did not move at the same pace as the technology of streaming and gaming in HD and 4K.

aren't you kind of using examples of data hogs, here?
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126568 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:16 am to
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So you’re saying AT&T can deliver an infinite amount of traffic to consumers from the CO? Amazing!! And you’re claiming others don’t know how this works?


You thinking ISPs run out of bandwidth

Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:17 am to
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So you’re saying AT&T can deliver an infinite amount of traffic to consumers from the CO? Amazing!! And you’re claiming others don’t know how this works?


Did you see THIS response to me on the subject?

I mean. Holy shite. It's like.........he typed it.....but didn't understand it

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But to make this very easy. ISPs did not move at the same pace as the technology of streaming and gaming in HD and 4K.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126568 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:17 am to
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Again. Because you're dodging. Your assertion is that they get slow because of failure to do what is necessary. So, if the net traffic was what it was in 2010, would today's infrastructure be having the problems you are describing. You're dodging for a reason. And you and I both know why.


ISPs didn't or don't upgrade bc they had no incentive to.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39151 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:18 am to
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NN basically (1) prevents tiers of internet and (2) eliminates most future developments. so our internet system will be neutral, but stagnant.



I'd rather neutral and stagnant than having my choices and what I do on the internet limited.

The only choice I see for further development without net neutrality would be decentralized systems like mesh networks.
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 10:18 am
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126568 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:18 am to
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aren't you kind of using examples of data hogs, here?


No bc its not hogging data

when a node is oversaturated no one can "hog" data.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:18 am to
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aren't you kind of using examples of data hogs, here?


I really almost spit up my lungs when the dumb arse typed that 4K response.
Posted by LSU316
Rice and Easy Baby!!!
Member since Nov 2007
30231 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:18 am to
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let me just say that NN is a very recent policy (2015) and we did not see this behavior in any sort of large scale prior to NN

now i get that it's a possibility, but it was very, very rare




I'm trying to figure out why people don't see this. If NN is stopped and we do see "tiers" it's because the service providers saw those fear monger fliers that all the "smarties" on reddit started creating to support NN
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:20 am to
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ISPs didn't or don't upgrade bc they had no incentive to.
So. You're telling me that the current internet infrastructure is roughly the same as it was in 2002?

I realize you want to run in circles........but, nice try.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44120 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:20 am to
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Keep believing in your make believe data hogs.


You honestly don't think there are people out there utilizing a much larger percentage of the bandwidth over your average user?
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