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re: FCC plans to vote to overturn U.S. net neutrality rules in December
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:12 am to ShortyRob
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:12 am to ShortyRob
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You didn't answer my question. So, I'll ask it more slowly. Would the current nodes be slowed down if the net traffic was the same as in 2010?
I can't take you serious when you think people are data hogs.
But to make this very easy. ISPs did not move at the same pace as the technology of streaming and gaming in HD and 4K.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:13 am to StraightCashHomey21
quote:I just googled "internet service providers in southwest Oklahoma."
I live in SW Oklahoma. The only ISP in the area that provides internet over 5 meg is cable one/
I got 14 highspeed ISP's in Lawton, Oklahoma, with all of them exceeding 10mbps except one and it provides 3mbps. LINK
All of southwest Oklahoma is covered by AT&T, Verizon and Sprint, along with other smaller, regional carriers.
You can't seriously believe that high speed internet access is only available if someone runs a wire into your residence?
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:13 am to Halftrack
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Exactly. And, just think what will happen to Internet porn!
SINNERNET!
You say that as a joke but to many deviants it’s a legitimate concern. I guess you baws will need a subscription, sin ain’t free or without consequence.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:13 am to StraightCashHomey21
quote:So you’re saying AT&T can deliver an infinite amount of traffic to consumers from the CO? Amazing!!
One person using more data does not make anyone else's internet slow.
And you’re claiming others don’t know how this works?
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:13 am to SlowFlowPro
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well i don't think eliminating NN will suddenly allow competitors into the market,
Agreed. Almost nothing in even perfect free markets creates "sudden" results.
quote:Yup.
however, maintaining NN almost assuredly kills competition for new products/services. the barrier to entry is high and backed by government
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:14 am to Taxing Authority
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”From ISP according to his ability to each consumer according to their needs!”
You have no idea what you are talking about
to stream in 4K you need around 15-20 megs down.
Keep believing in your make believe data hogs.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:14 am to cahoots
quote:Getting warmer.
Well, they still have to attract new customers
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:15 am to LSURussian
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I just googled "internet service providers in southwest Oklahoma." I got 14 highspeed ISP's in Lawton, Oklahoma, with all of them exceeding 10mbps except one and it provides 3mbps. LINK All of southwest Oklahoma is covered by AT&T, Verizon and Sprint, along with other smaller, regional carriers. You can't seriously believe that high speed internet access is only available if someone runs a wire into your residence?
I don't live in Latwon....
and a whole bunch of those a satellite which is crap.
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 10:20 am
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:15 am to StraightCashHomey21
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I can't take you serious when you think people are data hogs.
Again. Because you're dodging.
Your assertion is that they get slow because of failure to do what is necessary.
So, if the net traffic was what it was in 2010, would today's infrastructure be having the problems you are describing.
You're dodging for a reason. And you and I both know why.
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But to make this very easy. ISPs did not move at the same pace as the technology of streaming and gaming in HD and 4K.
Wait.......this looks a bit like an admission!!!
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:15 am to SlowFlowPro
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let me just say that NN is a very recent policy (2015) and we did not see this behavior in any sort of large scale prior to NN
We will see it very quickly. I know some people who work for some telecom companies who are tell me the companies are absolutely giddy about the repeal of NN. Not only that, in 2014, Netflix had to come to an agreement with Comcast about improving the quality of its service to Netflix users. The post-NN landscape will be littered with these sorts of agreements.
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well to be fair, NN cements the lack of consumer options by reinforcing what essentially amount to government-backed monopolies
It's a tough choice, but I'm going to have to go with one that at the minimum ensures thee isn't any discrimination by protocol, discrimination by ISP, favoring of private networks, and peering discrimination.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:15 am to StraightCashHomey21
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when you think people are data hogs.
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ISPs did not move at the same pace as the technology of streaming and gaming in HD and 4K.
aren't you kind of using examples of data hogs, here?
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:16 am to Taxing Authority
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So you’re saying AT&T can deliver an infinite amount of traffic to consumers from the CO? Amazing!! And you’re claiming others don’t know how this works?
You thinking ISPs run out of bandwidth
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:17 am to Taxing Authority
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So you’re saying AT&T can deliver an infinite amount of traffic to consumers from the CO? Amazing!! And you’re claiming others don’t know how this works?
Did you see THIS response to me on the subject?
I mean. Holy shite. It's like.........he typed it.....but didn't understand it
quote:
But to make this very easy. ISPs did not move at the same pace as the technology of streaming and gaming in HD and 4K.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:17 am to ShortyRob
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Again. Because you're dodging. Your assertion is that they get slow because of failure to do what is necessary. So, if the net traffic was what it was in 2010, would today's infrastructure be having the problems you are describing. You're dodging for a reason. And you and I both know why.
ISPs didn't or don't upgrade bc they had no incentive to.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:18 am to SlowFlowPro
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NN basically (1) prevents tiers of internet and (2) eliminates most future developments. so our internet system will be neutral, but stagnant.
I'd rather neutral and stagnant than having my choices and what I do on the internet limited.
The only choice I see for further development without net neutrality would be decentralized systems like mesh networks.
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 10:18 am
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:18 am to SlowFlowPro
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aren't you kind of using examples of data hogs, here?
No bc its not hogging data
when a node is oversaturated no one can "hog" data.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:18 am to SlowFlowPro
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aren't you kind of using examples of data hogs, here?
I really almost spit up my lungs when the dumb arse typed that 4K response.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:18 am to SlowFlowPro
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let me just say that NN is a very recent policy (2015) and we did not see this behavior in any sort of large scale prior to NN
now i get that it's a possibility, but it was very, very rare
I'm trying to figure out why people don't see this. If NN is stopped and we do see "tiers" it's because the service providers saw those fear monger fliers that all the "smarties" on reddit started creating to support NN
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:20 am to StraightCashHomey21
quote:So. You're telling me that the current internet infrastructure is roughly the same as it was in 2002?
ISPs didn't or don't upgrade bc they had no incentive to.
I realize you want to run in circles........but, nice try.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:20 am to StraightCashHomey21
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Keep believing in your make believe data hogs.
You honestly don't think there are people out there utilizing a much larger percentage of the bandwidth over your average user?
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