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re: FBI's latest data shows 'historic' drop in crime: Garland
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:15 pm to loogaroo
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:15 pm to loogaroo
Has the FBI tracked down the January 6 pipe bomber yet? Lol, they have so much cell phone data on everyone, but can’t find this guy? He was talking on his phone, lol. What about video cameras everywhere in the area? Hahaha, FBI is a joke
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Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:15 pm to Bard
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If the trend is accurate (and they well may be), I would have to wonder if they are dropping due to people having to work more (and often take on extra jobs) just to keep their heads above water.
The spike was clearly related to Covid-era policies, so as those go away, we're seeing a return to normalcy.
I think it's b/c people are going to work b/c there isn't the supplemented unemployment and kids are back in school, etc.
Probably a dash of defund the police stuff that has also gotten unpopular recently, but that's more property crimes (which as we both agree aren't a reliable measure).
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:16 pm to Liberator
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Irrelevant.
It's entirely relevant.
If Rudy's policies were great, then NYC should have been an outlier. Was it an outlier, or did it follow trends literally everywhere else in the US at the same time?
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He did. Big Time.
Then why did crime go down in Chicago, New Orleans, Miami, Baltimore, Los Angeles, etc. at the same time?
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
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This is as dumb as crediting Rudy G for NYC's crime decrease
I'm not a fan of the broken windows theory, but maybe it was right in this instance - holding Trump accountable is all the country needed to return to pre-Trump crime levels.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:19 pm to TheCheshireHog
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Why are they releasing this if participation levels aren’t met? Just trying to pander for votes?
Because they can hide the 26% of reduced murders inside the 20% that are non participating in the fbi statistics.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:21 pm to tigerfan 64
The FBI stats can’t be trusted because the FBI can’t be trusted
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:26 pm to loogaroo
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:32 pm to loogaroo
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:39 pm to BamaAtl
frick you and Joepedo.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:39 pm to Nosevens
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Not using statistics from large urban centers will give these outcomes
Bingo! Take the small town data and extrapolate to the entire US population (since I dont have the data yet for Chicago, Oakland, etc) and compare that data to last year when I did have the data of the aforementioned and voila its down.
What a waste of time, its the same as the employement numbers when you are counting illegals now and you didnt previously, of course 100s of thousands of jobs are being added.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Then why did crime go down in Chicago, New Orleans, Miami, Baltimore, Los Angeles, etc. at the same time?
Aggressive police measures / no cell phone video by-in-large?
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
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This is as dumb as crediting Rudy G for NYC's crime decrease
Gee. SFP is out front of his skis with another half-baked yada yada yada Marxist revisionist argument that he autistically gleaned from a podcast somewhere that can't withstand critical scrutiny. Again. Shocking. FTR, crime in NYC was reduced and the city reborn because of very specific public policy by very specific individuals who busted their arse in their domain. Subway, parks, various boroughs, obviously policing, transit cops, Guiliani, Bratton, Bloomberg, Kelly, CompStat, etc. Real people making real change, little by little, implementing Broken Windows theory Street by street, stop and frisk, challenging criminals, taking property crime seriously, resulting in an absolutely amazing transformation of NYC. Not to mention sentencing which removed thousands of habitual criminals off the street.
Think of it as a reverse Californication. Policy does matter, and although demographics are certainly huge particularly with violent crime (less black males less murder) it's absolute ideological silly season to just brush over the most targeted approach to crime reduction in US history.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:53 pm to trinidadtiger
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since I dont have the data yet for Chicago
I posted it already
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Oakland
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Crime is down 33% overall in Oakland so far this year compared with the same period in 2023, according to the latest police statistics through April 28, with significant drops in categories including homicides, assaults, rapes and burglaries.
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Yet, despite the overall decline, one type of crime has continued to worsen. Robberies, which play a critical role in public safety concerns and the perception of security, are up 11% in the first four months compared with last year. Because of that, the overall level of violent crime, which rose 21% last year, has remained flat in 2024 as rising robberies offset gains in other categories such as homicides.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:55 pm to Lsupimp
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FTR, crime in NYC was reduced and the city reborn because of very specific public policy by very specific individuals who busted their arse in their domain
Then why did the exact same pattern occur in every other urban area without these "specific public policies"?
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it's absolute ideological silly season to just brush over the most targeted approach to crime reduction in US history.
Not when the same crime reduction occurred literally everywhere else in the US.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
If you remove NYC, LA, Chicago and St Louis from the reporting the stats are "down"
If you remove them from the real stats, the US doesn't rank in the top 150 as a country for gun crime
Shocking Propaganda is propaganda
If you remove them from the real stats, the US doesn't rank in the top 150 as a country for gun crime
Shocking Propaganda is propaganda
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:56 pm to loogaroo
But I thought we were having an epidemic of gun violence and mass shootings?
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:58 pm to loogaroo
Maybe because the DAs in these crime ridden states arent prosecuting as felonies and letting them off with misdimeanors. They are playing with numbers and felonies arent getting prosecuted as felonies.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:58 pm to BuzzdLightBeer
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If you remove NYC, LA, Chicago and St Louis from the reporting the stats are "down"
NYC, LA, Chicago have already been covered ITT
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St Louis
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Overall crime trends in St. Louis are the lowest they’ve been in a decade, according to a 2023 crime report released by the mayor’s office and the St. Louis Metro Police Department.
The report reveals a 21% reduction in homicides between 2022 and last year, a 24% reduction in shooting incidents and a 23% reduction in shooting victims, who totaled 631 in 2023 compared to 821 in 2022. Mayor Tishaura Jones credits intentional work done by the police department with the drop in crime.
Crime is down bigly in all of those cities. Why would you want to remove that data from a report about crime being down?
Posted on 6/11/24 at 2:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
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How do you reclassify a murder? Or a shooting?
I know in New Orleans, rapes and done other violent crimes, NOPD wouldn’t respond until 10-12 hours later and by then the victim left the hospital so no report was made.
No report taken, no crime committed….
Posted on 6/11/24 at 2:02 pm to Townedrunkard
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No report taken, no crime committed…
Funny how he fights this issue, when DAs are being installed in our largest cities with one mission, keep minorities out of prison.
Yet SFP pretends this doesnt occur.
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