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HailHailtoMichigan!
Michigan Fan
Trabuco Canyon, CA
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Fair take: this does not 100% cast the investigation in a bad light, only key parts
Memo makes clear papasoupols was already being investigated before the entire fisa warrant episode. So mueller still has compelling reason to investigate

Otoh, what this casts in a bad light is:

1) Christopher Steele
2) vetting processes for fisa applications
3) proper DOJ/FBI oversight of legit evidence
4) media for being complicit in gps story planting

This memo is not going to bring down the mueller probe. It shouldn't. It should discredit and maybe take down some key people however. And Steele should be prosecuted


3nOut
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Central Texas, TX
Member since Jan 2013
13487 posts

re: Fair take: this does not 100% cast the investigation in a bad light, only key parts
i agree. i think everything i've heard from Mueller is even handed. he doesn't seem to be witch hunting and causing fear everywhere he sticks his head. let him continue his work unhindered, but lock up everybody that got him to this point.


UGATiger26
Georgia Fan
Athens, GA
Member since Dec 2009
6030 posts

re: Fair take: this does not 100% cast the investigation in a bad light, only key parts
Agree. It's not the atomic bombshell that some were hoping it would be. But what it should do is make any reasonable person say "hmmm...that seems pretty f'd up. What else could've been going on?"


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Robin Masters
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Member since Jul 2010
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re: Fair take: this does not 100% cast the investigation in a bad light, only key parts
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Memo makes clear papasoupols was already being investigated before the entire fisa warrant episode. So mueller still has compelling reason to investigate



And whom at the FBI was investigating Papadopolus, prey tell?


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CptBengal
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Member since Dec 2007
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re: Fair take: this does not 100% cast the investigation in a bad light, only key parts
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So mueller still has compelling reason to investigate




wait.

the whole thing was made up...but he still has a compelling reason?

WTF is wrong wit hyou.


CharlesLSU
LSU Fan
Member since Jan 2007
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re: Fair take: this does not 100% cast the investigation in a bad light, only key parts
The main issue is credibility.......kinda like a devastating character witness.


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FooManChoo
Georgia Fan
Member since Dec 2012
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re: Fair take: this does not 100% cast the investigation in a bad light, only key parts
The memo is only the beginning. More investigations are still ongoing.


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DisplacedBuckeye
Ohio State Fan
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re: Fair take: this does not 100% cast the investigation in a bad light, only key parts


Wow.


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airfernando
USA Fan
Member since Oct 2015
12855 posts

re: Fair take: this does not 100% cast the investigation in a bad light, only key parts
That's a naive take. Mueller investigation is an extension of what this is all about. This is an attempt to destroy Trump by using government forces to do it.


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Pettifogger
Atlanta Braves Fan
Member since Feb 2012
48688 posts

re: Fair take: this does not 100% cast the investigation in a bad light, only key parts
This is taking a predictable turn

Let's hope Nunes and Trump anticipated this

Thankfully the IG report is still likely going to hammer the agency


GumboPot
USA Fan
Member since Mar 2009
57907 posts

re: Fair take: this does not 100% cast the investigation in a bad light, only key parts
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Fair take: this does not 100% cast the investigation in a bad light, only key parts


Anyone who knowingly lies to the court for a warrant should have their entire history of cases questioned.



BigJim
LSU Fan
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
9416 posts

re: Fair take: this does not 100% cast the investigation in a bad light, only key parts
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i agree. i think everything i've heard from Mueller is even handed. he doesn't seem to be witch hunting and causing fear everywhere he sticks his head. let him continue his work unhindered, but lock up everybody that got him to this point.


Disagree. He has had long enough. I was fine with his original investigation, but he needs to wrap this noise up, pronto. Whatever evidence of collusion there is, he can report it and let the chips fall where they may.


antibarner
Alabama Fan
Member since Oct 2009
12599 posts

re: Fair take: this does not 100% cast the investigation in a bad light, only key parts
There are three more memos to come and the IG report. Patience, grasshopper.


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RobbBobb
Matt Flynn, BCS MVP
Member since Feb 2007
16422 posts

re: Fair take: this does not 100% cast the investigation in a bad light, only key parts
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Memo makes clear papasoupols was already being investigated

uh, Pop has already copped to lying about having Russian connections

So, No, they have no reason to continue


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Damone
Colorado State Fan
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Member since Aug 2016
10860 posts

re: Fair take: this does not 100% cast the investigation in a bad light, only key parts
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Memo makes clear papasoupols was already being investigated before the entire fisa warrant episod

Can't wait to hear their basis for this. Will probably be the sequel to the first memo.


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LuckyTiger
Minnesota Fan
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re: Fair take: this does not 100% cast the investigation in a bad light, only key parts
Senior leadership at the fbi knew this fisa warrant was fraudulent.


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LSU0358
LSU Fan
Member since Jan 2005
6499 posts

re: Fair take: this does not 100% cast the investigation in a bad light, only key parts
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It shouldn't.


I disagree. The whole foundation of the investigation was a political campaign opposition research report.


Ace Midnight
LSU Fan
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
62080 posts

re: Fair take: this does not 100% cast the investigation in a bad light, only key parts
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So mueller still has compelling reason to investigate


Would you also agree that the FBI's conduct in this deserves its own, separate investigation/prosecution, at least, then?

I mean, if Mueller is still relevant, what about this whole landfill we've just unearthed?


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Antonio Moss
LSU Fan
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
38535 posts

re: Fair take: this does not 100% cast the investigation in a bad light, only key parts
Am I the only person that has a significant problem with the DNC fricking paying for false information to guarantee a warrant and the Democrat led DOJ knowingly allow it to happen?


Pettifogger
Atlanta Braves Fan
Member since Feb 2012
48688 posts

re: Fair take: this does not 100% cast the investigation in a bad light, only key parts
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I disagree. The whole foundation of the investigation was a political campaign opposition research report.



Not really.

Page was previously recruited by the SVR, and he has sketchy ties and activities.

Thus, from a non-legal perspective, Page was someone most could agree warranted surveillance.

The problem is that Page probably hadn't done much around the time of exiting the Trump campaign to be surveilled. So the FBI used a fake dossier as the basis of obtaining surveillance.

But, that wasn't the basis for Mueller's investigation.

So far, it's akin to a judge knowing a perp is a criminal but using falsified evidence to convict him on some other charge. And that's bad, obviously. But it probably won't be 1) morally outrageous to most people and 2) doesn't invalidate the Mueller probe.



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