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Fair take: this does not 100% cast the investigation in a bad light, only key parts

Posted on 2/2/18 at 11:58 am
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 2/2/18 at 11:58 am
Memo makes clear papasoupols was already being investigated before the entire fisa warrant episode. So mueller still has compelling reason to investigate

Otoh, what this casts in a bad light is:

1) Christopher Steele
2) vetting processes for fisa applications
3) proper DOJ/FBI oversight of legit evidence
4) media for being complicit in gps story planting

This memo is not going to bring down the mueller probe. It shouldn't. It should discredit and maybe take down some key people however. And Steele should be prosecuted
Posted by 3nOut
Central Texas, TX
Member since Jan 2013
28931 posts
Posted on 2/2/18 at 11:59 am to
i agree. i think everything i've heard from Mueller is even handed. he doesn't seem to be witch hunting and causing fear everywhere he sticks his head. let him continue his work unhindered, but lock up everybody that got him to this point.
Posted by UGATiger26
Jacksonville, FL
Member since Dec 2009
9045 posts
Posted on 2/2/18 at 12:00 pm to
Agree. It's not the atomic bombshell that some were hoping it would be. But what it should do is make any reasonable person say "hmmm...that seems pretty f'd up. What else could've been going on?"
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 2/2/18 at 12:00 pm to
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Memo makes clear papasoupols was already being investigated before the entire fisa warrant episode. So mueller still has compelling reason to investigate



And whom at the FBI was investigating Papadopolus, prey tell?
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 2/2/18 at 12:00 pm to
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So mueller still has compelling reason to investigate




wait.

the whole thing was made up...but he still has a compelling reason?

WTF is wrong wit hyou.
Posted by CharlesLSU
Member since Jan 2007
31913 posts
Posted on 2/2/18 at 12:01 pm to
The main issue is credibility.......kinda like a devastating character witness.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41689 posts
Posted on 2/2/18 at 12:01 pm to
The memo is only the beginning. More investigations are still ongoing.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
71922 posts
Posted on 2/2/18 at 12:01 pm to


Wow.
Posted by airfernando
Member since Oct 2015
15248 posts
Posted on 2/2/18 at 12:03 pm to
That's a naive take. Mueller investigation is an extension of what this is all about. This is an attempt to destroy Trump by using government forces to do it.
Posted by Pettifogger
Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone
Member since Feb 2012
79235 posts
Posted on 2/2/18 at 12:04 pm to
This is taking a predictable turn

Let's hope Nunes and Trump anticipated this

Thankfully the IG report is still likely going to hammer the agency
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118853 posts
Posted on 2/2/18 at 12:05 pm to
quote:

Fair take: this does not 100% cast the investigation in a bad light, only key parts


Anyone who knowingly lies to the court for a warrant should have their entire history of cases questioned.

Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
14499 posts
Posted on 2/2/18 at 12:05 pm to
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i agree. i think everything i've heard from Mueller is even handed. he doesn't seem to be witch hunting and causing fear everywhere he sticks his head. let him continue his work unhindered, but lock up everybody that got him to this point.


Disagree. He has had long enough. I was fine with his original investigation, but he needs to wrap this noise up, pronto. Whatever evidence of collusion there is, he can report it and let the chips fall where they may.
Posted by antibarner
Member since Oct 2009
23727 posts
Posted on 2/2/18 at 12:06 pm to
There are three more memos to come and the IG report. Patience, grasshopper.
Posted by RobbBobb
Matt Flynn, BCS MVP
Member since Feb 2007
27935 posts
Posted on 2/2/18 at 12:06 pm to
quote:

Memo makes clear papasoupols was already being investigated

uh, Pop has already copped to lying about having Russian connections

So, No, they have no reason to continue
Posted by Damone
FoCo
Member since Aug 2016
32862 posts
Posted on 2/2/18 at 12:06 pm to
quote:

Memo makes clear papasoupols was already being investigated before the entire fisa warrant episod

Can't wait to hear their basis for this. Will probably be the sequel to the first memo.
Posted by LuckyTiger
Someone's Alter
Member since Dec 2008
45292 posts
Posted on 2/2/18 at 12:07 pm to
Senior leadership at the fbi knew this fisa warrant was fraudulent.
Posted by LSU0358
Member since Jan 2005
7918 posts
Posted on 2/2/18 at 12:07 pm to
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It shouldn't.


I disagree. The whole foundation of the investigation was a political campaign opposition research report.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89552 posts
Posted on 2/2/18 at 12:10 pm to
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So mueller still has compelling reason to investigate


Would you also agree that the FBI's conduct in this deserves its own, separate investigation/prosecution, at least, then?

I mean, if Mueller is still relevant, what about this whole landfill we've just unearthed?
Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
48320 posts
Posted on 2/2/18 at 12:11 pm to
Am I the only person that has a significant problem with the DNC fricking paying for false information to guarantee a warrant and the Democrat led DOJ knowingly allow it to happen?
Posted by Pettifogger
Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone
Member since Feb 2012
79235 posts
Posted on 2/2/18 at 12:11 pm to
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I disagree. The whole foundation of the investigation was a political campaign opposition research report.



Not really.

Page was previously recruited by the SVR, and he has sketchy ties and activities.

Thus, from a non-legal perspective, Page was someone most could agree warranted surveillance.

The problem is that Page probably hadn't done much around the time of exiting the Trump campaign to be surveilled. So the FBI used a fake dossier as the basis of obtaining surveillance.

But, that wasn't the basis for Mueller's investigation.

So far, it's akin to a judge knowing a perp is a criminal but using falsified evidence to convict him on some other charge. And that's bad, obviously. But it probably won't be 1) morally outrageous to most people and 2) doesn't invalidate the Mueller probe.

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