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re: F the Strait of Hormuz
Posted on 3/31/26 at 1:37 pm to Mo Jeaux
Posted on 3/31/26 at 1:37 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Uh, you do realize that we were in negations with them in February, right?
Like I said, maximum retardation.
LMAO, they are about to get jackshit on their end. We come out of this wayyyy better than we started.
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Posted on 3/31/26 at 1:37 pm to Techdave
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Blame Iran for closing the Strait. No one else.
No. I blame us for enacting a plan with 100% knowledge that Iran would close the Strait and not have a plan to solve or prevent the problem.
Again, everyone on earth knew that would be Iran’s response in the event of any attack. It’s the only real chip to play outside of lobbing missiles.
Posted on 3/31/26 at 1:38 pm to Indefatigable
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No. I blame us for enacting a plan with 100% knowledge that Iran would close the Strait and not have a plan to solve or prevent the problem.
The plan is to end Iran as it exists today.
Posted on 3/31/26 at 1:38 pm to Techdave
quote:if we stopped completely today, we will have gained nothing except being able to say we broke some stuff.
We come out of this wayyyy better than we started.
They will rebuild and re-import the stuff.
Posted on 3/31/26 at 1:39 pm to Indefatigable
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No. I blame us for enacting a plan with 100% knowledge that Iran would close the Strait and not have a plan to solve or prevent the problem.
Again, everyone on earth knew that would be Iran’s response in the event of any attack. It’s the only real chip to play outside of lobbing missiles.
Gotta break a few eggs to make an omelet my man.
Posted on 3/31/26 at 1:39 pm to Dawgfanman
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The plan is to end Iran as it exists today.
So the plan is a massive invasion and occupation?
There is no regime change without that.
Posted on 3/31/26 at 1:40 pm to Dawgfanman
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The plan is to end Iran as it exists today.
By possibly negotiating with the regime that we said we wanted to remove? 15D chess?
Posted on 3/31/26 at 1:40 pm to ronricks
Why? What goods do we get from strait that we couldn’t get from our hemisphere?
Posted on 3/31/26 at 1:44 pm to Mo Jeaux
When we leave the straight will open. Iran is in shambles with little way to work out of this except to sell oil. I assume that we are in a better position to know about the nukes and their destruction and regime change has happened. Trump has completed what many Presidents have been unable. My guess is that Israel will have intelligence going forward to verify the status of the material and the ability to do clean up should there be a need. Our President and services have done an amazing job.
Posted on 3/31/26 at 1:44 pm to Indefatigable
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So the plan is a massive invasion and occupation? There is no regime change without that.
Do Iranians like electricity, fresh water, food, money for their oil? We’ve been gentle so far.
Posted on 3/31/26 at 1:47 pm to Techdave
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The rest is not our problem.
Even if you ignore the effects on commodities that pass through the Strait and come directly into the US and ignore the effects on US companies’ interests in the region, the knock on effects on energy prices are enormous. There’s no magic “drill more in the US” button like the politicians like to believe and energy costs are at the bottom line of everything. Everything becomes much more expensive without free movement in the Strait.
Posted on 3/31/26 at 2:03 pm to Projectpat
Here’s a solution, open up better relations with our southern relatives, drill in Alaska, offset the need to pillage the Middle East.
Posted on 3/31/26 at 2:09 pm to ronricks
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This would be an epic fail if we don't clean up the straight before leaving.
Technically an epic fail if we don’t replace IRGC with an admin more sympathetic to the west.
If we don’t accomplish that & leave a ckusterfrick in the strait then this will have been a lot of money to spend on a diplomatic catastrophe.
Posted on 3/31/26 at 2:11 pm to ulmtiger
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and regime change has happened.
It hasn’t.
Posted on 3/31/26 at 2:13 pm to Mo Jeaux
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It hasn’t.
Your TDS is flaring up. Go see someone about that.
Posted on 3/31/26 at 2:18 pm to Techdave
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Your TDS is flaring up. Go see someone about that.
Stop being a fricktwat. Tell us how the regime has been replaced. I’ll listen.
Posted on 3/31/26 at 2:23 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Stop being a fricktwat. Tell us how the regime has been replaced. I’ll listen.
Well half of the regime leaders are currently dead, so that's one less half to worry with. And the other half is changing their tune pretty quick.
Sounds like he's getting what he wants with or without out the "regime change". So, I'll let the TDS crowd argue over semantics.
Posted on 3/31/26 at 2:33 pm to ronricks
quote:Here's my take a couple weeks ago: LINK
Its amazing how MAGA will conform or contort to anything Trump says.
No boots on the ground unless Jesus shows himself and orders Trump to do it. I feel I've been consistent on this. Kindly take your made-up stereotypes elsewhere.
Posted on 3/31/26 at 2:36 pm to Techdave
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Well half of the regime leaders are currently dead.
Lots of issues here. Killing members doesn’t mean regime change. Regime change doesn’t guarantee a “better” regime. We don’t have a headcount on IRGC.
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the other half is changing their tune pretty quick.
So you didn’t trust the Iranians enough to see JCPOA through, but you’re willing to trust the same regime now that they hate us 10x more than 10 years ago?
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Sounds like he's getting what he wants with or without out the "regime change"
Define “what he wants” because this is starting to look more and more like “mowing the lawn”.
Posted on 3/31/26 at 2:40 pm to Indefatigable
quote:Well, they can clean up our mess for once. No problem leaving the strait just like it is because that entire region wants it to be open. And the Europeans can still frick themselves and accept the consequences of staying out of it.
We made the mess, without informing or including the Europeans.
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