re: Experimental or not?

quote:

---

I was told today that I was a conspiracy theorist for suggesting that the vaccine wasn't proven to be totally safe, and that I was selfish for not taking it

---

Some of these people only want you to take it because they didn't have the willpower to resist.
There is a devil on my shoulder that secretly wishes the CV vaccine would collect into a massive benign lump on the side of their heads.

quote:

---

Experimental or not?

---

If you got the vaccine as part of a trial, then it's experimental. For everyone else it's not experimental.

quote:

---

Why is it wrong to say that this is a large clinical trial?

---

Because they aren't tracking side-effects and results of the general population.

That being said, the FDA approval is for emergency use of the vaccine. I don't think it's an emergency that I need to take it, so I haven't.

Novavax made in Texas and not yet approved, but close to it.

Traditional vaccine like the annual flu vaccine and needs no refrigeration

Approved on emergency basis as experimental.

Scientists have been working on its closest kin, SARS for 17 years and have only killed the test animals thus far with mRNA vaccines

1. No drug is “totally safe”

2. The FDA’s normal process doesn’t look into long term effect pre-market. It doesn’t take 6-7 years because they want to see what the drug will do in 7 years. That is more a red tape issue and how long it takes to get studied together when you don’t have millions of eager volunteers. The FDA doesn’t hold up a drug to see if it will give you cancer in 20 years. Simultaneously, there are FDA approved drugs that have been linked to long term side effects (Prilosec is a good example. That was deemed safe enough to be OTC)

3. The FDA emergency process has all the same steps but they allow companies to overlap Phase 2/3 clinical tests and allow manufacturing during the testing phase.

4. Generally speaking, there are many substances with small doses and long term effect without some real short term effect. If I’m wrong point one out.

The people pushing the vaccine, are the same idiots that scream "follow the science". But none of them are following the science.

It's all pretty simple. The world got hit with a novel virus that our bodies had never been exposed to. Once people get the virus and it runs its course, their body builds an immune response, then it's no longer "novel".

This entire thing has turned into kabuki theater. The maskers have become the vaccine pushers, but none of them acknowledge the immune response of the human body. Its all POLITICAL!!!!!

quote:

---

There is a fourth vaccine? I’m only aware of three.

---

There are several in the pipeline.

quote:

---

1. No drug is “totally safe”
2. The FDA’s normal process doesn’t look into long term effect pre-market. It doesn’t take 6-7 years because they want to see what the drug will do in 7 years. That is more a red tape issue and how long it takes to get studied together when you don’t have millions of eager volunteers. The FDA doesn’t hold up a drug to see if it will give you cancer in 20 years. Simultaneously, there are FDA approved drugs that have been linked to long term side effects (Prilosec is a good example. That was deemed safe enough to be OTC)

3. The FDA emergency process has all the same steps but they allow companies to overlap Phase 2/3 clinical tests and allow manufacturing during the testing phase.

---

agree with #1, #3, and red tape claims.
although your example of prilosec is incorrect, its appropriate usage does not have long term effects. the 'long term effects' come from long term usage of it, but OTC med instructions for prilosec state that it is not supposed to be used long term. same type of deal with long term ibuprofen use may cause ulcers and kidney damage. taking ibuprofen for few days will not cause long term issues.


there is no real world data, and no theoretical mechanism to suggest long term side effects from COVID vaccine that would be different from other vaccines we regularly use. aside from the different initial antigen presenting mechanism, its just your immune system in action like other vaccines. fear of long term effects from covid vax makes as much sense as the fear that vaccines cause autism.

quote:

---

It will be covered up Jax-Tiger. See the Swine Flu Vaccine in the 70's where 43 million were vaccinated. 60 minutes did a special on this back in the late 70's.

---

Family story - had an uncle that took this and while walking to his car, after the waiting period, dropped dead. This happened in Tallulah or Vicksburg i believe.