re: Excess deaths and sickness now is COVID’s fault - signed The Covidians

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Again, do you think I'm supporting the use of that consensus to limit inquiry?

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Honestly, you've been running in circles. My basic point has been that the "scientists" involved in the last 2 years have absolutely gutted their credibility and this reality is THEIR fault.

You've responded largely that somehow, it isn't their fault while simultaneously acquiescing to the basic reasons why it IS their fault.

This is silly. If they want to be seen as credible by the general public...........and even moreso, if they want to be seen as credible by people like me who can actually SPOT when they put out stupidity..........then it is on THEM to fix it. THEY caused it.

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But it's a far wider societal problem. Covidianism is but one manifestation.

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Definitely. The exact same mechanisms being applied to the COVID "truth" are being applied across the board in society in 2023.

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I don't care enough about any specific person enough to run with an argument just because that person made them.

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Right. That's not really responsive, though.

Do you care enough about any specific person (e.g., McCullough) to dismiss an argument just because that person made it?

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And my point is that if you can't look at each individual thing as a distinct entity and rather write off the entirety of scientific discovery, as you yourself said, that is your fault.

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You've flipped it on its head.

Had the problem been restricted to one thing or one tiny area, you'd have a point. But the ENTIRE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNIT did, in fact, go all in with the silliness. And make no mistake, you did NOT need to be a professional COVID research to see what the frick was going on. Yet, the silence was deafening. Worse, the rest of the community basically went all in on the whole "shut certain people up" thing.

And why not? I mean, that's exactly how they handle climate science. Hell, it seems to have been informally codified as standard operating procedure.

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I'm fine with the credibility of people who pushed for certain things to be destroyed,

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Nope. This is like when you watch a video of one cop being completely out of line as 4 others watch, do nothing and then, run with the lie afterwards. The 4 OTHER cops are the REAL problem.

There is no bigger science nerd alive than me. I love to take in as much as I can possibly comprehend in as many areas as I can possibly comprehend. I absolutely LOVE science.

And these bastards have allowed their fields(nearly all of them) to be taken over by the moronic concept of "consensus" coupled with shutting everyone else up. Complete NON-SCIENCE!!!

All, in the name of access to research dollars.

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And my point is that if you can't look at each individual thing as a distinct entity and rather write off the entirety of scientific discovery, as you yourself said, that is your fault.

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Do you care enough about any specific person (e.g., McCullough) to dismiss an argument just because that person made it?

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Of course everyone has that inclination that if you experience a bad argument from someone previously, you are more likely to write them off ex ante. I have biases like everyone else. But I do try to always differentiate between how I feel about something from the argument that thing is trying to make. To take a bit from Ebert's film criticism, I work hard to try to judge the thing by itself, as in what is it aiming to do, and then judge the thing in broader and broader contexts ad infinitum.

So in short, I always do my best to act without bias, but I am human who has biases. Despite my posting style, I'm always open to new arguments, which can maybe seem schizophrenic after I just make a post calling Ed O a 'pussyhound' or something. I do like egging people on though, which might be a holdover from an earlier era of internet posting where that confrontational style was the norm.

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But the ENTIRE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNIT did, in fact, go all in with the silliness.

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Even aerospace, mathematics, and on and on? That seems ahistorical and a weird position to take, but alas.

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And these bastards have allowed their fields(nearly all of them) to be taken over by the moronic concept of "consensus" coupled with shutting everyone else up.

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And I'm telling you this system won't be dismantled. I'd love to end this era of regulatory capture, but there is absolutely no political will for it despite all that has happened. Makes one wonder.

We are in the weeds of talking about one COVID skeptic which misses the point.

The reality is, we KNOW that top people in the fields openly lied. Exaggerated claims. Used their influence to control media narratives. Put out "stats" that were grotesquely misleading. Intentionally ignored, in the public sphere at least, the OBVIOUS huge risk variances by age group as if they didn't matter when discussing things like vaccines.

I could go on and on and on and on. THAT was the ENTIRE frickING SYSTEM. So much so, that we can literally name the handful of people who spoke out.

When the CDC put out hilariously bad shite, the SYSTEM should have been fricking noisy as hell. But nope. When Fauci did it, the SYSTEM should have been noisy as hell. But nope. When nearly everyone who mattered ran around talking about the vaccine like it had existed for fricking 30 years, the SYSTEM should have been noisy. But nope.

Sorry. You don't get to sit around with your thumbs up your arse for 2 fricking years while the public gets railroaded and then say, "well yeah, but that wasn't exactly us".

The vaccines are useless. That's a separate discussion.

But I think it would be foolish to dismiss the long terms effects of covid infection. We have no idea what we're dealing with. A man-made bioweapon from the CCP. What worries me about it all is how draconian China has been with its response. They take this shite more seriously than everywhere because they know what it is.

We'll probably never find out because the origins are wrapped up in a cover-up to protect Fauci types who funded all of this nonsense, and you know the CCP isn't saying shite. They've covered up this mess from day one.

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A vaccine prevents infection.

Yes or No?

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That's its goal but it doesn't always. See flu vaccines and DTaP as examples.