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re: Excellent article in The Federalist: "We Need to Stop Calling Ourselves Conservatives"
Posted on 10/22/22 at 11:48 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 10/22/22 at 11:48 am to RogerTheShrubber
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My principles" havent been yielded in national politics for decades
So op is correct?
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Posted on 10/22/22 at 11:48 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Put energies into local stuff, forget DC. Its lost.
This is only a temporary solution. You may wish to forget about DC, but they damn sure won’t forget about you as they continue to consolidate power.
Posted on 10/22/22 at 11:55 am to AggieHank86
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but no rational person can read an SFP post and not recognize that he is out in at least the third SD north of the mean.
Gonna go out on a limb and assume Hank sees himself as the mean.
This post was edited on 10/22/22 at 11:55 am
Posted on 10/22/22 at 11:56 am to SlowFlowPro
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Rog, you've been SFPilled
It's a retarded statement.
So yeah I guess it's sfpilled
Posted on 10/22/22 at 11:59 am to squid_hunt
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Gonna go out on a limb and assume Hank sees himself as the mean.
Hank thinks he’s the smartest person in the room in every room he’s been in.
Posted on 10/22/22 at 11:59 am to Turbeauxdog
The OP of this thread is arguing to destroy liberty "for my side to win". Rog disagrees with that liberty-destroying authoritarianism, and so do I. THAT is a "retarded statement"?
Posted on 10/22/22 at 12:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
Is “wielding power” and authoritarianism a union?
Posted on 10/22/22 at 12:13 pm to Mo Jeaux
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I love the intelligence pissing contests on anonymous message boards.
This post was edited on 10/22/22 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 10/22/22 at 12:14 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
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This is only a temporary solution.
Progressives took over education, law, media... its lost. Until you secure or drop out of those institutions, nothing will ever change.
At the most, 20% of the people are hard core progressives. They're not going to survive without the rest.
If people of like minds would live in communities with people of like minds, you can have the type of place you want to have.
This post was edited on 10/22/22 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 10/22/22 at 12:21 pm to Turbeauxdog
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My principles" havent been yielded in national politics for decades
So op is correct?
I never argued against the OP. The Right hasn't been conservative in decades. frick, even the term has become toxic here. We just had a thread the other day where all these conservatives showed their hatred for capitalism.
We're discussing a lot of terms, but not much ideology. Economically there appears to be no difference anymore.
This post was edited on 10/22/22 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 10/22/22 at 12:24 pm to Piney Flats
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Put bluntly, if conservatives want to save the country they are going to have to get used to the idea of wielding power, not despising it.
OR
here’s a crazy idea
Get elected and then actively work to reduce / redact unnecessary and authoritarian powers from your own government
TLDR: leave your office systemically less powerful than you found it
Posted on 10/22/22 at 12:26 pm to holdem Tiger
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The Q thread is on page 2.
And an interview in which Conservative Inc.® pundit, self-professed “evangelical” and career Deep State apologist David French defends demonic sexual predators grooming children is here:
New Yorker Profile: David French and the Battle for the Future of Conservatism…
Posted on 10/22/22 at 12:26 pm to Shankopotomus
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Get elected and then actively work to reduce / redact unnecessary and authoritarian powers from your own government
Precisely.
But we've had many chances, and only grew the government. I have no faith it will ever happen again.
I'll vote for the true small govt candidate, the one who realizes the best fulfillment of potential is through individual achievement, not constructing some mythical society..
Posted on 10/22/22 at 12:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Seeking to expand your power to push your world view via government isn't really "Constitutionalist" in the typical etymology of the word.
That is rich coming from one of the board’s biggest apologists for our nation’s global military Empire!
This post was edited on 10/22/22 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 10/22/22 at 12:39 pm to Shankopotomus
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Get elected and then actively work to reduce / redact unnecessary and authoritarian powers from your own government
Rand Paul’s opponent just tried to hit him by saying he votes no for everything involving spending more money and saying he goes to DC to sit on his butt and do nothing.
I’m in favor of him, but that’s what rolling back the government gets labeled as.
“Send me to DC to leave you alone” is not a rallying cry compared to “send me to DC to make sure you get free school and medical care.
Posted on 10/22/22 at 12:39 pm to the808bass
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Is “wielding power” and authoritarianism a union?
Wielding power to suppress the opposition (like the Democrats did) is 100% authoritarian.
I see some on here suggesting the right do the same, which is definitely authoritarian.
Posted on 10/22/22 at 12:40 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Wielding power to suppress the opposition (like the Democrats did) is 100% authoritarian.
So?
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I see some on here suggesting the right do the same, which is definitely authoritarian.
Correct
Posted on 10/22/22 at 12:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Especially since religion is such a central part of this perceived in-group
What part of Christianity condones secular totalitarianism?
Posted on 10/22/22 at 12:41 pm to 3nOut
quote:It needs to expand to “Send me to DC to get some of your money BACK,” but smart candidates know better than to promise things that they KNOW they cannot deliver.
“Send me to DC to leave you alone” is not a rallying cry compared to “send me to DC to make sure you get free school and medical care.
Posted on 10/22/22 at 12:42 pm to crazy4lsu
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It's going to end terribly for everyone but I guess you'll have to see it to believe it.
Regardless of anyone’s personal opinion of the linked article, this is the truest statement in this thread. The current trajectory is simply unsustainable.
At some point gravity is going to take over and it will not be a soft landing for any of us. What comes next is the trillion dollar question.
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