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re: Excellent article in The Federalist: "We Need to Stop Calling Ourselves Conservatives"
Posted on 10/22/22 at 12:46 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 10/22/22 at 12:46 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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You hate the opposition, yet want to emulate them.
No I want to defeat them. Acknowledging they have effective tactics does not mean I will become them. Its not the means that is dangerous it is the ends.
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Posted on 10/22/22 at 12:47 pm to Toomer Deplorable
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At some point gravity is going to take over and it will not be a soft landing for any of us
Its inevitable.
Posted on 10/22/22 at 12:51 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Wielding power to suppress the opposition (like the Democrats did) is 100% authoritarian.
The left uses laws and institutions to oppress and harm people.
Would you rather conservatives immediately resort to violence in response to oppression or fight it with laws through local vs state vs federal means?
Posted on 10/22/22 at 12:55 pm to Turbeauxdog
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Would you rather conservatives immediately resort to violence in response to oppression or fight it with laws through local vs state vs federal means?
Until conservatives make inroads with education and the media, the narrative cannot change. Dems own and I suspect seed those areas far better.
Dems started this project 60 years ago and are just now seeing it come to fruition. Conservates have a LONG arse way to go. They accomplished most of their damage without laws and regulations. They did it through culture.
This post was edited on 10/22/22 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 10/22/22 at 12:56 pm to Flats
quote:Because it negatively impacts others, and the impact is age inspecific.
Why does your morality determine what I can do in a public space?
But you already know that.
It's a shades of grey discussion. In most IRL considerations, a grey zone will exist. It's just a matter as to where on the spectrum it occurs. But what I am telling you is that, for example, Blue Laws are government intrusive. They're a very different matter than Chick-fil-a or Hobby Lobby closing on Sundays.
Posted on 10/22/22 at 12:57 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Until conservatives make inroads with education and the media, the narrative cannot change. Dems own and I suspect seed those areas far better. Dems started this project 60 years ago and are just now seeing it come to fruition. Conservates have a LONG arse way to go. They accomplished most of their damage without laws and regulations. They did it through culture.
Non answer.
Posted on 10/22/22 at 1:05 pm to Turbeauxdog
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Non answer.
I'd rather see a battle without either violence or laws. I want to cut laws, free people. You didn't offer any other choices.
Focus on the institutions first, until then you'll never get principled people in office.
Posted on 10/22/22 at 1:06 pm to the808bass
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Is “wielding power” and authoritarianism a union?
Unless we're arguing big L libertarian concepts, it can be. It depends on the extent of the power and the target/nature of that power.
People were responding to OP outwardly supporting fascism. So yeah that would be authoritarian.
Posted on 10/22/22 at 1:07 pm to NC_Tigah
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Because it negatively impacts others, and the impact is age inspecific.
That's an opinion based on your moral values.
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It's a shades of grey discussion.
That's exactly my point. When you say something like "Both Cons and NeoCons are quite happy to inject themselves into the lives of others.", the implication is that you DON'T want to inject your views into the lives of others. Of course you do; everybody does.
I don't like Blue Laws but they're typically enacted at the small end of the government spectrum, which is a good thing, and I don't see why they're fundamentally more intrusive than telling people they can't screw on a park bench. They're both examples of a collective moral norm that a majority forces on a minority.
Posted on 10/22/22 at 1:08 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Your post brings to mind a new trend in polling measures and emphasis .... "college educated" vs "non-college educated."
Dems started this project 60 years ago and are just now seeing it come to fruition. Conservates have a LONG arse way to go. They accomplished most of their damage without laws and regulations. They did it through culture.
Twenty yrs ago the former leaned right. The latter leaned left. Now we're seeing a reversal. IMO the flip is d/t collegiate indoctrination - i.e., elimination of viewpoint competition on campus, muzzling of free speech, safe-spaces, rabid misandry, tolerance and encouragement of racist theory, and exalted neomarxism.
Whoever thought our campuses would become the bastions of speech and free thought SUPPRESSION?
This post was edited on 10/22/22 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 10/22/22 at 1:09 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I'd rather see a battle without either violence or laws.
So would I , that's obviously not going to happen.
So which is it? Violence or laws?
Posted on 10/22/22 at 1:11 pm to Turbeauxdog
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So would I , that's obviously not going to happen.
Not in this system, which is why it is doomed to fail in the near future.
Funny, most people agree its broken and not fixable, but object when I say its a waste to try to fix from the inside.
Posted on 10/22/22 at 1:14 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Not in this system,
I disagree.
Constitutional convention with term limits would go a long way.
Posted on 10/22/22 at 1:15 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Dems started this project 60 years ago and are just now seeing it come to fruition.
It’s not Dems. It’s communists.
Posted on 10/22/22 at 1:15 pm to NC_Tigah
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Whoever thought our campuses would become the bastions of speech and free thought SUPPRESSION?
Bingo.
Progressives are technocrats, who realize there's limits to government authoritarianism, but their institutional and corporate partners are not bound by the same limits.
They're not even using the government directly to do most of their damage, it came from establishments they infiltrated decades ago.
Take back the institutions, make individualism great again.
Posted on 10/22/22 at 1:22 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Not in this system, which is why it is doomed to fail in the near future.
Well I've got kids whose future I have interest in. So do I support laws to extended the time until failure or violence?
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Funny, most people agree its broken and not fixable, but object when I say its a waste to try to fix from the inside.
The system is only broken because people are broken. Our country is supposed to keep the bounds of oppression so tight that you don't care how nuts other people are. But all of our failed institutions ( filled with failed people) have broken those bounds.
So violence or laws?
Posted on 10/22/22 at 1:23 pm to NC_Tigah
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Whoever thought our campuses would become the bastions of speech and free thought SUPPRESSION?
Everyone who saw the slippery slope of political correctness
Posted on 10/22/22 at 1:26 pm to Piney Flats
Yes, anything but that which our own Government of the USA thinks of us, which is: Nazis.
Posted on 10/22/22 at 1:37 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Take back the institutions
Posted on 10/22/22 at 1:55 pm to Turbeauxdog
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Well I've got kids whose future I have interest in.
We all do, but this system will probably not exist in 20 years, so...
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