re: Every Democrat voted against no tax on tips/overtime

A lot of salary people make up the middle middle class and the upper level middle class and into the upper class.

I’d love to get no tax on my bonus, however the left would go ballistic about it. So I’ll take this win for the working hourly guys which will at some point advance to a win for me as we can continue to beat up the dems.

Some people are short sighted in not being happy for people on the same team to get something. The working class continues to break right and we get more of the lower class and we win more elections and everyone prospers.

We have some on the right that want to be libertarians and basically lose every election because instead of working within the rules of the world we want to play on the moral high ground. It’s plagued the party for a long time and made us losers too often.

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complain about income tax then say how you think it can be replaced instead of dumb comments like “we didn’t haven’t income tax before 1913.”

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Standardize a federal sales tax. then eveyone truly pays as they go

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When people aren’t paying their fair share of what everyone else is paying but get the same benefits, then yes, it’s a handout.

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Imagine thinking you’re owed a “fair share” of someone else’s wages. Sounds like it’s you that really wants the handout.

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First of all taxes are theft, the reason why they’re doing it is because it’s an incentive for many things. Extra money will still generate taxes while stimulating the economy a bit further. It’s also is an incentive for more production, aka the more one works production goes up which also helps a business which stimulates the economy, this incentivizes that as well. Tips are also not set income it’s technically a gift.

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Taxes are not theft in a democracy. And any form of government needs funds. Where are we to get those funds? Usage fees? Tariffs? The first would require fee collecting bureaucracies from toll booths to boat launch pay booths; the second would interfere drastically with the rational allocation of resources and thus yield inefficiency.

Your notion that it is incentive for more production is certainly true, as it is true of any tax reduction. The question is: why should this particular class of people get a tax reduction while others are arbitrarily left out.

The result of all of this would be a lot fewer employees working longer hours and earning a lot more money. I used to hire draftsmen. I can assure you that if overtime was untaxed every one of those draftsmen would quit if they weren’t guaranteed 60 or 70 hours per week. We would have had to fire 20% of our draftsmen in order to make this work.

This is symptomatic of the problem with populism, which is the government treating people inequitably and picking winners and losers. We don’t need that shite.

Tarrifs were the main source of government income until they figured out they can steal the citizens money to pay for wars and agendas. Started small then eventually became main source. When they couldn't steal enough they just started printing money.

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No it doesn’t. It doesn’t effect salary workers.

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And keeping their ETR flat while lowering the ETR of others is what? A hug?

I disagree they may have been elected but I doubt they ran on we will raise your taxes and then money launder some and spend the rest.

It’s not full on steal but this happens plenty on the right some rino gets elected and then does the opposite of what they say. Then they stay in power though because they have the power of the purse.

It’s dishonest at best, theft at worst.

Though I guess Dems do often times run on tax the rich but it’s really we will tax lower and middle class and tell them it’s raining while we piss on them.

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I agree with your statement except for the word “steal”. This was done by the duly elected representatives of the people. That’s not stealing; it just isn’t.

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It's stealing when they cannot show accountability of funds spent.

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I would say the biggest difference is that tips aren't paid by the business you work for. Theyre paid directly from person to person as a result of good service when appropriate in society(far too common today).

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The employer shifting the burden of paying the wage for the employee to the customer doesn’t change the character of the transaction.

You are tipping the server for service provided, which is by definition ordinary income taxable to said server. Period.

Do you understand the legal definition of a “gift”?

You are only giving the server money in exchange for the service provided.

Now if you walked in off the street and randomly handed a server $100 and then promptly walked out receiving nothing then that is a gift.

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The real way this issue should be looked at is do we want to encourage tipping as an income source within our country?

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Just raise the minimum wage for workers and eliminate tipping. Tipping is retarded anyway.

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If so then continue forward with this tax free tipping policy.

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Why? Why should servers be exempt from tax?

There should be no special carve out for tips or OT. It’s got no rational basis and is just naked vote buying by brain dead populists.

You are argument holds no water and you have failed to demonstrate how a tip is a gift.

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what is FICA and which 3 programs does it fund

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FICA funds Medicare and Social Security.

Your wages and taxes earn you “credits” and eventually when you reach retirement age you draw payments.

You are really stretching the definition of “refund” here to be meaningless.

There are millions of people that died before ever drawing anything from the program. Their estate doesn’t get a “refund” of FICA taxes paid while the decedent was alive and working.

You are way over your skis here, bud.