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re: EV charging data for TD so you can see the massive tidal wave headed for California
Posted on 9/1/22 at 2:24 pm to goofball
Posted on 9/1/22 at 2:24 pm to goofball
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First, you are using one of the lowest range EV's
It is typical for arguments to consist of old information here. It's even more comical when they use selective reading
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Posted on 9/1/22 at 2:24 pm to goofball
quote:That's not his argument!!!
First, you are using one of the lowest range EV's in your example while providing zero actual numbers so that no one can challenge you on your personal case.
Then you are also projecting this flawed case onto everyone, assuming that they have the exact same needs, biases, and demands as you.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 2:24 pm to goofball
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Then you are also projecting this flawed case onto everyone, assuming that they have the exact same needs, biases, and demands as you.
Put the highest rated car in there. I don’t care. It doesn’t change what cars are on the road. It doesn’t change the exurban driving patterns. It doesn’t change rural states where the average driver drives 60 miles a day.
Hipsters are dumbfricks.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 2:25 pm to goofball
quote:It won't work, and it has about 0% chance of happening by 2035 or whatever the date is on the mandate.
Their mandate of EV's is only going to work if they want to encourage power generation from fuel sources that are actually capable of meeting this new base load.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 2:25 pm to jmarto1
quote:
old information here
What did I quote that was old?
Posted on 9/1/22 at 2:26 pm to the808bass
quote:Now put it for people who only use 1 car as a daily commuter, then what?
Put the highest rated car in there.
quote:Is every person a rural driver now?
It doesn’t change rural states where the average driver drives 60 miles a day.
Does't change the fact you specifically chose a car on the lower end...why?
Remember, you said EVERY car needs to charge in public, are you planning to show how that is the case?
This post was edited on 9/1/22 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 9/1/22 at 2:28 pm to the808bass
I was making a general statement in response to someone else. Nothing directed at you
Posted on 9/1/22 at 2:30 pm to shel311
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Remember, you said EVERY car needs to charge in public, are you planning to show how that is the case?
He didn't say they would have to charge in public every day, but it is entirely reasonable to assume that every EV is going to use a public charger occasionally, which I believe is his point.
You still haven't answered why there are lines at chargers when all these cars can recharge at home overnight. I guess they missed the memo they should only charge at home.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 2:34 pm to Chromdome35
quote:He said every EV absolutely will need to charge publicly. It's ok to say he was wrong because he was wrong.
He didn't say they would have to charge in public every day, but it is entirely reasonable to assume that every EV is going to use a public charger occasionally, which I believe is his point.
As another poster stated, 30% of Teslas have never supercharged. I imagine it's a safe bet that the majority of that 30% have never charged in public at all, so no, not every EV absolutely needs to charge in public. It's just not so.
quote:I never said every EV on the road at all times can charge at home, you're moving the goalposts on me here.
You still haven't answered why there are lines at chargers when all these cars can recharge at home overnight.
quote:Or, and stay with me here, they need to charge in public. You're inventing this world where you think I said every EV On the road can charge at home, that never happened.
I guess they missed the memo they should only charge at home.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 2:35 pm to Chromdome35
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You still haven't answered why there are lines at chargers when all these cars can recharge at home overnight. I guess they missed the memo they should only charge at home.
I'm spitballing here but I think this question has a lot of variables. California is probably what we are referencing here. How far away from jobs do people have to live as their housing affordability is a massive issue. Is there any savings to charging at a station rather than peak hour? Probalby not but as I said I am spitballing. Probably the biggest variable is the network isn't as a large as gas stations. As the market expands then third party chargers will show up more and more. If you have a Tesla you will want to go to a super charger as it is more ideal to go there and probably cheaper and will cause bottlenecks that way. Another thing is the early adopters of Teslas have free charging for life in their more expensive models. They do not offer that anymore but if you had that why would you charge at home?
This post was edited on 9/1/22 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 9/1/22 at 2:44 pm to jmarto1
quote:
why would you charge at home?
So you don't have to charge at the hypothetical Buc-ee's that won't have to service local traffic because they are all charging at home???
Posted on 9/1/22 at 2:46 pm to jmarto1
quote:Convenience
Another thing is the early adopters of Teslas have free charging for life in their more expensive models. They do not offer that anymore but if you had that why would you charge at home?
Posted on 9/1/22 at 2:47 pm to Chromdome35
quote:True, because every single car that gets gas at Bucees would absolutely have to charge at Bucees if they were instead EVs.
So you don't have to charge at the hypothetical Buc-ee's that won't have to service local traffic because they are all charging at home???
Posted on 9/1/22 at 2:58 pm to GetmorewithLes
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buying, titling, and transferring new cars in neighboring states
This already exists, maybe not to the level this new law will push it to,but it is happening now.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 3:00 pm to SpecialHazard
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This already exists, maybe not to the level this new law will push it to,but it is happening now.
Cali will probably tack on some exorbitant fee when you register it in-state, though.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 3:05 pm to Chromdome35
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So you don't have to charge at the hypothetical Buc-ee's that won't have to service local traffic because they are all charging at home???
Give me free charging and I'm not running up my electric bill at Cali rates
Posted on 9/1/22 at 3:06 pm to LSUAlum2001
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Cali will probably tack on some exorbitant fee when you register it in-state, though.
What’s the level above exorbitant, let’s go with that. Hell they already try to tax people for moving out of the state. Nothing surprises me anymore.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 3:08 pm to LSUAlum2001
I think it's fair to suspect that the USA intends for all of the states of the country to become like California.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 4:26 pm to shel311
quote:and CA going from 1 million evs to 30 million+ by government mandate is going to work how exactly?
States requesting citizens use less power is absolutely an indictment against those states/power companies, but it's been happening for as long as I can remember, so...
Posted on 9/1/22 at 4:35 pm to dewster
quote:so what's the point? And even this ignores the environmental issues associated with lithium batteries
EV's aren't green like their proponents claim. They just move the burden of air pollution from the cities to the powerplants required to support them.
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