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re: EV charging data for TD so you can see the massive tidal wave headed for California
Posted on 9/1/22 at 10:42 am to LSUAlum2001
Posted on 9/1/22 at 10:42 am to LSUAlum2001
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All of your commercial chargers will be Level 2 or Level 3 because no one has time to sit around for 6-8 hours to charge an EV on a Level 1 charger; except at home during the night.
They will regulate the installation of Level 2-3 chargers. You’ll need approval/justification to have one, which will come with a survey to ensure there aren’t too many in use around your area.
We lowly peons will be stuck with Level 1 forever.
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Posted on 9/1/22 at 10:42 am to UAinSOUTHAL
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This is a bad comparison. Tesla chargers are Superchargers that charge at 300KW. You can't compare that to level 1 home chargers that will only ever charge at 50KW/40A. No one is going to be installing Level 2/3 chargers at home. The real issue is 2-3 car households and them wanting everyone to switch over. You aren't charging 3 EV's off your home electricity not without having serious issues. Not only that but your usage charging 3 EV's everyday will be huge.
At one point my house had 5 vehicles. brothers and parents all driving. So yeah, good luck.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 10:44 am to UAinSOUTHAL
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You aren't charging 3 EV's off your home electricity not without having serious issues. Not only that but your usage charging 3 EV's everyday will be huge.
Why would you need to charge all three cars every single day?
Each one would have to be accumulating 250-350 miles per day to need to fully recharge every night. That's a frick ton of driving.
This post was edited on 9/1/22 at 10:45 am
Posted on 9/1/22 at 10:44 am to UAinSOUTHAL
I found this on Anaheim CA's website
https://www.anaheim.net/601/Chargers-Charging#:~:text=Level%202%20equipment%20uses%20a,delivering%207.2%20kW%20of%20power.
So in my subdivision of 85 homes, if all 85 were to install level 2 chargers, the additional energy required would be 6.7 kva * 85 = 569kVA. I openly admit I don't know much about how robust local distribution systems typically are.
Maybe someone who understands how distribution works can comment on if that is a load that the typical neighborhood power distribution system can handle without an upgrade?
https://www.anaheim.net/601/Chargers-Charging#:~:text=Level%202%20equipment%20uses%20a,delivering%207.2%20kW%20of%20power.
So in my subdivision of 85 homes, if all 85 were to install level 2 chargers, the additional energy required would be 6.7 kva * 85 = 569kVA. I openly admit I don't know much about how robust local distribution systems typically are.
Maybe someone who understands how distribution works can comment on if that is a load that the typical neighborhood power distribution system can handle without an upgrade?
Posted on 9/1/22 at 10:48 am to BobBoucher
My daughter and her husband live in CA. They both drive Teslas. They have 2 level 2 chargers in their garage.
The level 2 garage charger is Tesla's defacto standard. If all you can get out of plugging into a standard wall outlet is about 40 miles of range, there is no way that will work. You have to have a level 2 charger to make an EV feasible for daily use.
The level 2 garage charger is Tesla's defacto standard. If all you can get out of plugging into a standard wall outlet is about 40 miles of range, there is no way that will work. You have to have a level 2 charger to make an EV feasible for daily use.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 10:51 am to goofball
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Why would you need to charge all three cars every single day?
Each one would have to be accumulating 250-350 miles per day to need to fully recharge every night. That's a frick ton of driving.
Level 1 chargers are only going to give you 50-ish mile charge overnight. You'll have to leave it on the charger for 3 days to get it full.
If you jump up to Level 2 you can fully charge in 12 hours but you're significantly increasing your electrical load.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 10:53 am to LSUAlum2001
At this point i hate Telsas now
They are everywhere and everyone who drives them are betas
They are everywhere and everyone who drives them are betas
Posted on 9/1/22 at 10:54 am to LSUAlum2001
They don't want everyone to have an EV or own a home. They want you to he systemically forced into tiny box apartments and public transportation.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 10:57 am to LSUAlum2001
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However, if you own the vehicle long enough, replacing the batteries will be extremely expensive, and that cost would offset every penny you saved over having to purchase gas.
A guy went viral recently for pricing out a replacement battery for his car at $30,000.
The car?
A 2012 Chevy Volt.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 11:02 am to MightyYat
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Level 1 chargers are only going to give you 50-ish mile charge overnight. You'll have to leave it on the charger for 3 days to get it full.
Most people’s commutes are 50 miles or less. So that’s probably fine.
Even with 3 cars, most people would easily get away with charging each car once a week. So a single level 2 installed would do the trick for a household with 3 cars assuming we can get all brands of cars onto the same charger and alternate (which I don’t think you can do right now if you want to take full advantage of the fast chargers).
Then just have a 120v adapter to top off a car if needed or for visitors.
Very few people drive 200+ miles per day regularly. Those that do are already paying out the nose for gas or diesel. If they went full electric, that’s the type of driver that should consider supplemental power systems like a home solar array.
This post was edited on 9/1/22 at 11:04 am
Posted on 9/1/22 at 11:03 am to deathvalleytiger10
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What is the life span for the batteries?
Ford warranties the Lightning battery for 8 years or 100,000 miles. I would run through that in about 4 years and be on my own.
Oh yeah...and it's currently estimated to cost 20-25k for replacement and we all know how those estimates work out in reality.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 11:07 am to LSUAlum2001
I still think their ultimate goal is having everyone:
1. DEPENDENT ON FEDGOV to provide a massive public transportation system aka Trains.
** that way, it creates a “turn-key” control mechanism to strip Johnny from having any bit of freedom to move freely.
Combined with the Cyber Currency System being rolled out, they can shut down your finances & transportation at the same time using your social credit score as the end-all, be-all!
His forbid Johnny to openly speak of freedom and create an uprising, Johnny will not be able to travel and Johnny will be directed to the “Re-education Gulags” so they can get his mind right thru starvation. Will be a modern day Bolshevik Revolution standard of living.
Combine that with the threat of EMP’s, the entire system could be shut down in the blink of an eye. At least with having the existence of gasoline & Diesel engines, people with older vehicles safe-guarded against an EMP, you’ve got a chance to move around.
Pucker up, the Global Cartel is in full force. 2030 will be here before you know it. God Help Us ??
1. DEPENDENT ON FEDGOV to provide a massive public transportation system aka Trains.
** that way, it creates a “turn-key” control mechanism to strip Johnny from having any bit of freedom to move freely.
Combined with the Cyber Currency System being rolled out, they can shut down your finances & transportation at the same time using your social credit score as the end-all, be-all!
His forbid Johnny to openly speak of freedom and create an uprising, Johnny will not be able to travel and Johnny will be directed to the “Re-education Gulags” so they can get his mind right thru starvation. Will be a modern day Bolshevik Revolution standard of living.
Combine that with the threat of EMP’s, the entire system could be shut down in the blink of an eye. At least with having the existence of gasoline & Diesel engines, people with older vehicles safe-guarded against an EMP, you’ve got a chance to move around.
Pucker up, the Global Cartel is in full force. 2030 will be here before you know it. God Help Us ??
Posted on 9/1/22 at 11:08 am to Chromdome35
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So in a typical overnight charge scenario of 10pm to 6am (8 hours) you could get 40 miles of range by using a standard power outlet.
What the frick is the point of even having the charger at that point?
Posted on 9/1/22 at 11:10 am to DMAN1968
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Ford warranties the Lightning battery for 8 years or 100,000 miles. I would run through that in about 4 years and be on my own.
Battery replacement is a concern.
They aren’t sexy - but a typical Chevy Malibu, Ford Fusion, or Toyota Camry can easily go 150,000 miles with basic oil changes, brake pads, tires, etc. If a transmission breaks , they can get overhauled for $4,000 or so.
A Ford Mach E’s battery will probably cost $15,000-$20,000 - and likely closer to $25,000. Assuming it lasts 100,000 miles….”maintenance” for a Ford EV not only costs way more than a traditional ICE sedan, but also costs more than known maintenance hogs that are often mechanically totaled by 150,000 miles (like the BMW 5, Jaguar XF, or Ford Powerstroke).
That undermines a huge selling point for an EV - which is no oil or fluid changes. You are trading that for massive battery replacement costs and headaches.
This post was edited on 9/1/22 at 11:12 am
Posted on 9/1/22 at 11:11 am to jawnybnsc
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jawnybnsc
California is going to look like Cuba in 20 years.
I was thinking the other day thst the ICE "new" car sales ban will create a new cottage industry of buying, titling, and transferring new cars in neighboring states as used cars...
Posted on 9/1/22 at 11:12 am to Indefatigable
Agreed!
Posted on 9/1/22 at 11:12 am to LSUAlum2001
Yeah, well obviously this didn't account for the unicorn farts and fairy dust that is going to power these cars...
Posted on 9/1/22 at 11:13 am to LSUAlum2001
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California forcing everyone to EVs,
Posted on 9/1/22 at 11:16 am to jawnybnsc
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California is going to look like Cuba in 20 years.
for no reason other than to gaslight the public for their climate change agenda.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 11:28 am to LSUAlum2001
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When six of the Tesla rapid EV chargers were in use simultaneously, the real time power usage was 452KVA. A typical Louisiana neighborhood has a 50KVA transformer for every 4 homes or so. So, when you have six Tesla chargers operating simultaneously, that is the equivalent of nearly 40 homes operating at maximum load.
Again, predicting this is easy. But that doesn't get votes, politicians are all about click bait voting and climate change is BIG CLICK BAIT. Americans are too fricking stupid to understand what a dozen is much less understand how to do simple math or look at and understand a graph.
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