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re: ESPN is at a crossroads
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:09 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:09 am to SlowFlowPro
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cable is the future domain of the lower SES i think when they fully realized how bad cord cutting was going to be, they went "all in" on the demo least likely to cut
Certainly appears that way
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Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:09 am to SlowFlowPro
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they went "all in" on the demo least likely to cut
White male good ole boys?
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:09 am to biggsc
ESPN has sports held hostage.
Their audience mostly hates them, hates their politics, hates their personalinites.
The problem is ESPN has the rights to sporting events people really want to see so people feel forced to watch them for those events, myself included.
When it's not a college football game I care about, I never watch once second of ESPN, ever. Years ago it was my default channel. Now, I watch as little of it as I possibly can.
Their audience mostly hates them, hates their politics, hates their personalinites.
The problem is ESPN has the rights to sporting events people really want to see so people feel forced to watch them for those events, myself included.
When it's not a college football game I care about, I never watch once second of ESPN, ever. Years ago it was my default channel. Now, I watch as little of it as I possibly can.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:10 am to roadGator
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I think he means that since Hill's show is already so low in the ratings that they aren't getting much advertising dollars for her anyway.
I can see that point. They still get the subscription money regardless of how badly Hill's show does but her advertising revenue can be affected. However, if she's not getting much anyway then it's really not a big deal for them.
I think that was his point anyway.
This is accurate. SC6 and Hill are on a primetime slot for sure and they probably will flame out and they'll go back to something like PTI and Around The Horn, or just the traditional Sportscenter. But given what they're selling on ads during actual games compared to 6pm on weekdays AND subscription fees you're talking about peanuts.
People won't accept that because they want to think so badly that them being too liberal is costing them big bucks but its not. It's not politics, its math, you can see it for yourself if you actually try.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:10 am to Lakeboy7
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Yep, and they have already made their money off 35, 45, 55, 65 year old white guys.
the problem is the "poor, black, male" demo isn't exactly going to be major drivers for pricey advertising
i think ESPN is going to have to gut its staff every couple of years as it spirals down, breaking under the weight of the NFL/NBA deals
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:10 am to magildachunks
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magildacucks
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:11 am to IAmReality
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Years ago it was my default channel. Now, I watch as little of it as I possibly can.
I don't know if the younger generations realize how big of a deal ESPN was in the 80s and 90s
it was our only source of news for sports for so long
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:11 am to ShortyRob
when i quit my real job in late 2012 and started watching daytime TV in 2013 i was legit blown away by what First Take had become
the shift was not subtle in any meaningful way
the shift was not subtle in any meaningful way
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:11 am to SlowFlowPro
The second I get more choices in sports watching, I will take them.
I long for the day when I can wash my hands of ESPN once and for all.
The AOL analogy earlier is quite apt.
It doesn't matter how big you are, if your customer base all hates you, you're business is in danger.
I long for the day when I can wash my hands of ESPN once and for all.
The AOL analogy earlier is quite apt.
It doesn't matter how big you are, if your customer base all hates you, you're business is in danger.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:12 am to JasonMason
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It's just a much smaller piece of it currently than what people want to believe.
Bingo.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:12 am to mwade91383
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It's not politics
Is it fair to say that their politics are certainly not helping with their keeping their customer base?
For instance, I cut the cord. I only add sports channels when it's football season.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:12 am to SlowFlowPro
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i think ESPN is going to have to gut its staff every couple of years as it spirals down, breaking under the weight of the NFL/NBA deals
Once the MLB deal runs out, the only thing that ESPN has that will keep large swaths of white conservative viewers is college football and the NFL (which are both seasonal).
Do white conservatives like NCAA basketball? I think less so now than in the 90's and 00's.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:13 am to Salmon
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I don't know if the younger generations realize how big of a deal ESPN was in the 80s and 90s
it was our only source of news for sports for so long
It was a big step that you could actually turn on a TV and find every score you wanted within about an hour, over having to wait for the newspaper to get them the next day.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:13 am to Lakeboy7
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35, 45, 55, 65 year old white guys.
Ahh. A young person who thinks 35 is "old".
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:14 am to Salmon
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what is really going to kill ESPN and other channels is when the NFL or college conferences realize they can create their own apps and get all that revenue themselves
I don't think Internet service providers are going to sit back and let them overwhelm their servers with data, for free.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:14 am to mwade91383
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People won't accept that because they want to think so badly that them being too liberal is costing them big bucks but its not. It's not politics, its math, you can see it for yourself if you actually try.
That's literally what I said. Maybe you didn't mean to attribute that to me earlier, but this is what I said. The drop in ratings for the OC shows is obviously causing a loss in ad revenue, but it does not have nearly the affect that losing the ad revenue on live sports does. Especially with the growing contracts.
The SJW (not liberal) stuff is playing a part in the demise, but it's small in comparison for ESPNs inability to adapt to a changing landscape and overpaying for league rights. I agree that people are overstating the SJW bent on ESPNs demise, but IMO it's going to get to the point that people just associate ESPN with their personalities like Hill that they don't like and they'll stop watching the random football game or baseball game just because it's sports because they'll actively avoid ESPN.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:14 am to ShortyRob
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We've arrived at a stupid place in America where we think that failure to fire someone who has political views SOME people don't like means you SUPPORT those views. Da frick? That's just dumb.
I agree with you to an extent. I don't care that she doesn't like Trump and wouldn't care if she said he was the worst president ever or that she disagreed with his political agenda, but she went too far IMO by calling him a white supremacist.
But ESPN already set precedent with firing on-air personalities in the past for making political statements on social media...see Curt Schilling
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:15 am to SirWinston
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Once the MLB deal runs out, the only thing that ESPN has that will keep large swaths of white conservative viewers is college football and the NFL (which are both seasonal)
Lol. I'm not disagreeing with you here, but aren't all sports by nature seasonal?
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:15 am to mwade91383
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want to think so badly that them being too liberal is costing them big bucks
Can you prove it's not?
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:18 am to roadGator
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Is it fair to say that their politics are certainly not helping with their keeping their customer base?
Oh for sure, anything that draws a line in the sand will do that, going either way. It's what they're trying desperately to do and avoid all of this. ESPN has no interest in being political, its not the business they're in. The issue has been forced on them (and really every media outlet) and they've been forced to pick a side, and they're f**king it up constantly.
But again you and I seem to understand its not the actual financial issue people are saying it is. It's really an afterthought. The far bigger issue is the control that companies like Comcast and Verizon have. THAT will kill their bottom line way more then any racial political issue, especially if they go to an a la carte plan.
Which as a consumer, I'd love. I'd buy HBO, Comedy Central, the sports channels, that's it (okay plus a few stupid channels for my wife and kids). Would save tons of money! Why do I have to pay for the Hallmark channel?!??!
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