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re: ESPN is at a crossroads
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:30 am to ShortyRob
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:30 am to ShortyRob
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Can you prove it's not?
Let's be honest here.
Liberals can't even accept that their batshit crazy wing is a large part of why they lost around 1000 seats the last 8 years along with the Presidency.
Yes, I can. Have you even looked? Loads of pieces about it.
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Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:31 am to real turf fan
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Les Moonvies
yeah he knows what the frick is going on. he may have single handedly destroyed radio, and save for Colbert striking gold as anti trump ground zero, his track record in the tv department isn't so hot.
This post was edited on 9/15/17 at 11:33 am
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:32 am to mwade91383
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Yes, I can. Have you even looked? Loads of pieces about it.
Just like there's "loads of pieces" claiming the SJW ways of ESPN are part of their demise.
Why do you cherry pick? We all know cord cutting is a part of it, but it's not all of it. One of the reasons people are cord cutting is because they can now live without 24 hour sports programming.
This post was edited on 9/15/17 at 11:33 am
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:36 am to RTRinTampa
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You don't understand how this works. If you have a cable package, the cable company knows what channels you view and when. They are not going to continue to pay ESPN the same for access, if fewer people are tuning to that channel. Arbitron and the other polling companies also have boxes in homes. The industry, to include streaming, pretty much knows who watches what and when. Advertisement $$$ follow this data. ESPN is on a road to disaster and they've given the steering wheel to the farthest left people they can find.
No, YOU don't know how this works. First off, we're talking about ads, which is roughly 1/3 of their revenue, WAY less than Subscriptions.
Ads at different times cost different amounts of money. An ad during the Superbowl is not the same as an ad during a 3am infomercial. The money they earn during the games dwarfs the money they get during original programming, which is a big issue for them, but ALWAYS been true.
Technically, you're right. But that's like looking at a house with a collapsing roof and complaining about a burnt out lightbulb. That's what people fail to understand, mainly because they don't want to.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:36 am to RogerTheShrubber
You gonna like that Breitbart piece? 
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:37 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Why do you cherry pick?
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One of the reasons people are cord cutting is because they can now live without 24 hour sports programming.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:38 am to biggsc
As much as this board/website complains about ESPN, I bet for 75% of the posters it's the first channel they click to when they turn on their TV.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:39 am to TheFonz
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Disney
Well, he was a Nazi, so there's that
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:41 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Exactly. And, the answer is both.
Just like there's "loads of pieces" claiming the SJW ways of ESPN are part of their demise.
Do I think the boycott is doing it? Nah. Boycotts are almost always ineffective.
ESPN's problem is more long haul. It's the slow burn of alienating customers by simply being more and more hostile to them.
I mean, no one would be stunned if ESPN's shows spent hours per day focusing on the crime epidemic in the black community then discovered they were losing black viewers.
Why do people even pretend that's not reality? You can't piss on customers and expect they'll use your product as much.
Just because they might not TOTALLY stop using your product doesn't mean they won't reduce using it. And that reduction reflects in ratings and eyeballs for advertisers.
I mean, it's just a patently silly premise to pretend that your white conservative viewer is just going to sit there in front of the TV while you shite on him.
These Hill comments really aren't the problem. It's the HANDLING of Hill vs prior that is EMBLEMATIC of what we're also seeing on the air.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:42 am to mwade91383
quote:Holy shite man. 1/3 is pretty fricking important.
No, YOU don't know how this works. First off, we're talking about ads, which is roughly 1/3 of their revenue, WAY less than Subscriptions.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:46 am to ShortyRob
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No, YOU don't know how this works. First off, we're talking about ads, which is roughly 1/3 of their revenue, WAY less than Subscriptions.
Holy shite man. 1/3 is pretty fricking important.
Did you read the rest of the post? Good grief. Talk about only hearing what you want to hear.....
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:46 am to ShortyRob
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ESPN's problem is more long haul.
Yep. They should look to MTV if they want to see how the future will treat the past.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:47 am to mwade91383
quote:What is it you think I "want" to hear?
Did you read the rest of the post? Good grief. Talk about only hearing what you want to hear.....
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:47 am to ShortyRob
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Exactly. And, the answer is both.
Correct. One is virtually the entire problem, one is a very small afterthought.
Follow the money, this isn't hard.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:48 am to RTRinTampa
quote:for daytime tv it is...white womenz, black womenz and to a smaller degree young black menz have made tv judges and talk show hosts and soap opera actresses filthy fricking rich
Yep, pure rocket science to come up with the numbers that show roughly 7% percent of the population is more profitable than 30%.
problem is espn is a sports channel and they're on cable...and womenz tend to not like sports...and even fewer enjoy the off the field drama and stories espn tries to manufacture.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:49 am to ShortyRob
You want to believe ESPN being "too liberal" is having a larger impact on the bottom line, it's jsut not.
Is it good? No. But is it anywhere near the issue people around her want to believe? Not even close.
Follow. The. Money.
Is it good? No. But is it anywhere near the issue people around her want to believe? Not even close.
Follow. The. Money.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:49 am to cameronml
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I bet for 75% of the posters it's the first channel they click to when they turn on their TV.
Used to be all I watched. Now, only select football games. I actually watch FS1 football more than ESPN.
There's no need to watch their daytime programming, It no longer offers anything of substance. It exists to create social media buzz.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:52 am to mwade91383
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You want to believe ESPN being "too liberal" is having a larger impact on the bottom line, it's jsut not.
I "want" to believe nothing.
I simply understand marketing. Pissing on a large segment of your customer base, regardless of which segment you piss on, is not a winner.
You "want" to believe this isn't true. But, sorry. It is.
I mean, it's just absurd to think that white conservatives are sitting there in front of the TV and listening to people berate them.
They'll watch the games cause, well, that's the only option. But where options exist? LOL. Yeah. No one HAS to watch Sports Center to learn about the game.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:55 am to mwade91383
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You want to believe ESPN being "too liberal" is having a larger impact on the bottom line, it's jsut not.
Sure it is.
ESPN abandoned their largest demographic to cater to women and select minorities. It was a concerted effort by ESPN to attract enough new viewers to cover the ones they would lose. It's not working.
My guess is even black dudes don't want to hear political bullcrap on their sports network.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 11:57 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Used to be all I watched. Now, only select football games. I actually watch FS1 football more than ESPN.
Same here. And honestly, for a good while after I was thoroughly annoyed, I STILL watched out of force of habit. Basically, if I thought, "hey, I want to see what's going on in sports", I flipped to ESPN. Always was a saved favorite channel in my system.
And, because of THAT habit, if I was interested in something and not by a TV, I instantly typed in espn.com.
But, the non game stuff got sillier and sillier so, less and less interesting. And, as that occurred, I stopped that auto association of ESPN with "sports" in my head. Now, I almost never visit ESPN.com either.
None of those decisions are me thinking, "frick ESPN's politics, I'm not watching that shite".
It's simply that they lost my interest. Which, very likely was because of their shift. But, I, like most customers like me just gradually left.
THAT is how marketing or bad marketing works.
People think most lost customers have an epiphany moment but research has ALWAYS shown that companies lost customers gradually and that there is very rarely a single instantaneous catalyst that causes it.
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