re: Elon Musk says it is time to leave NATO and the UN

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We use it logistically for almost everything outside our continent. We would lose all of it. How you think we get b2 bombers and f22s to the middle east?

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We don’t depend on NATO assets to project power abroad.

Does it make it easier it certain aspects, sure, but we don’t depend on it.

The US sends $600M annually to NATO’s coffers, then spends another $40B + annually on NATO support and European defense efforts.

We aren’t getting near enough juice for that squeeze given we have the capability to project power anywhere we want on the planet without NATO.

I'm a big Elon fan but he's wrong about this. It's a messy relationship but being xenophobes is not in the best interest of the US. We have to be a key player on the world stage.

Elon needs to chill a bit and go back to blowing up rockets for a while.

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and almost CERTAINLY ensures america's continued downfall

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Only if your goal is to be an Empire & continue subsidizing/policing the world. No thanks.

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This will be massively bad for your kids, and grandkids.

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Uh, no. Your kids & grandkids wouldn't be sent off to some godforsaken land for some godforsaken skirmish. Imagine the trillions saved to re-invest American money in defense. American families would be much safer.

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Iran would likely declare all out war with Isreal, knowing we can't do a goddamn thing about it anymore, the entire ME would turn to chaos.

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I don't really care, Margaret.

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Absent foreign entanglements, WHY do we need to get bombers to the Middle East?

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There won't be foreign entanglements, we would have no way to help. When Iran bombs isreal and the price of gas goes to $8/gallon, we won't be able to do shite about it.


The same idiot boomers will be on here complaining again.

While yes but the headline is misleading as Elon agreed with not said

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I respectfully disagree.

Look...I hate globalization as I feel like it leads to the curb of freedoms here in the United States due to our value system being different. However, it was our failure to participate in the League of Nations (the forerunner to the UN) in the aftermath of the First World War that ultimately led to the rise of Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany. We are there as a check against authoritarian imperialism and an assurer of the status quo. Without our power and influence, bad actors can rise and lead to the risk of global conflagrations that will kill tens of millions of people.

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Good post

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Why does this board GAF what a deadbeat dad from South Africa thinks on American foreign policy?

Why do you retards want to give up America's position as leader of the world?

We should not leave NATO or the UN.

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This board has become a bunch of lemmings. It's incredible to watch

Keep the bases there and tax the Euros even more for it.

Germans especially. I want them working 60 hours a week and paying the most taxes for it. History has proven they can’t be trusted with an army. We need to keep them weak, poor, and far away from China.

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“not one inch eastward” assurance about NATO expansion in his meeting with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev on February 9, 1990, was part of a cascade of assurances about Soviet security given by Western leaders to Gorbachev and other Soviet officials throughout the process of German unification

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/\ THIS /\ is what is where the fault lies. We originated NATO to guard against Soviet expansion. Now NATO has tried to become a mini UN.

What the hell is TURKEY doing in a NORTH ATLANTIC alliance?

Why does NATO keep 'inching eastward' in violation of the original pact made with the USSR? Look at the nations we have admitted to NATO = regardless of how bad Putin is, you cannot disregard the impact of NATO setting up military bases on their border.

And why do we subsidize the leftward drift of the European nations? = short work weeks, censorship of free speech, disarming their population, adoption of Muslim culture, acceptance of sexual perversions ?

Shape up NATO or get the hell out.

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The correct use is that Republicans aligned with Russia are not aligned with Europe.

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No most Republican voters hate both. The problem is that binary simpleton thinkers like yourself can’t understand it’s possible to disagree with funding Ukraine and not supporting the Russian government.